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Happy New Year! All the best for 2017!!

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mana Taylor, Jan 13, 2017.

  1. Mana Taylor
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    May everyone of us be blessed for this year.
    I am currently writing an essay (study related) about "Child Poverty in UK":frust:,just browsing here,in case I might find some relevant topics:D.
  2. graham59
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    graham59 Banned

    Adult poverty I could have helped with. :(
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  3. Mana Taylor
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    Mana Taylor Member

    :D:D:D
  4. Aromulus
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    Husband poverty, more like..........
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  5. Timmers
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    No poverty here, we've paid for our wives' settlement visa, cannot be in the workhouse if we can afford to pay for those :)

    Seriously I do not believe there is a lot of child poverty in the UK, more likely a lot of children that are neglected by their parents.
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  6. bigmac
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    how do you define child poverty ?
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  7. graham59
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    Sadly, the stupidest, most irresponsible individuals in our society also seem to be the most fecund. :rolleyes:
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  8. Timmers
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    Its a difficult one really, if a child is clean and getting three reasonable meals a day then they are not in poverty, look back to when we were kids, poor but kept clean and with a full stomach, simple and happy days I'm sure you'd agree.

    The only children who are in poverty in the UK are the ones that are off the radar and often have abusive parents who suffer from substance abuse.
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  9. Timmers
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    I had to look the word "fecund" up, I agree wholeheartedly :)
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  10. Maley
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    Looking at my childhood, it now seemed like 'poverty' (had to harvest stuff wildly growing in a vacant lot in order to have viand for lunch otherwise its plain rice or salt (but rice is always there), had to share everything, no proper toys just the plants or trees even going over trash for our source material but everything was an adventure). i didnt have an idea of what is 'better' but i was happy, content and secured.

    My childhood was awesome if you ask me. Im now trying to find way for my future children to have the same childhood as mine.
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  11. Timmers
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    There is something that is very humbling to have a poor upbringing, funny how we all remember our childhood days with fondness even though we didn't have everything we wanted, as the saying goes, "you make the best with what you've got." :)

    "There is more to life than money."
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  12. bigmac
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    my childhood--till age 9--was living in an old rented house without features we now take for granted--no inside lav--no bathroom--no proper heating--no double glazing--also--no car. playing on bombsites. but--we had food on the table--holidays most years at the seaside. we certainly werent poor--it was the norm in post war britain.
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  13. Timmers
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    That's why I say there is any child poverty in the UK nowadays, compared with our childhood days there cannot be any.
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  14. Mana Taylor
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    Children who are born into a family whose income is below 60% of the median household incomes(after taxes and benefits).Although income is the most common method in measuring child poverty,there are some other ways on how to determined if child lives in a poverty such as consumption,material deprivation and well-being.
  15. oss
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    Poverty is relative and there are plenty of children in this country who are going hungry including the parents going hungry.

    Families who have to turn the heating down because they can't afford the bills and are probably being robbed by the energy companies already because they don't have a credit rating high enough to get themselves a post paid meter, pre-paid meters are a sign of poverty and they are disproportionately expensive to run.

    Poverty restricts access to the resources that children need in order to compete, so when they later fail to compete who do we blame, well that's generally easy we blame them for their own failure.

    Remember 'I'm alright Jack'?

    The fact that we can all point to anecdotal evidence that some celebrity or other came from an impoverished background but nevertheless went on to succeed and become famous and wealthy does not negate the fact that the vast majority don't!

    But what do we do we lump them into the stupid irresponsible and fecund class, and I'm not getting directly at you Graham, I don't like the end result either but to portray it as entirely their own fault is unfair.

    On a final note, my children in the Philippines have their material needs satisfied, however they are impoverished by not having regular access to their mother and their father and it will affect them a lot in later life, poverty has many faces.
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  16. graham59
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    Well of course I'm only here for the lectures.

    After having worked for a branch of the benefit service for a number of years, followed by around 20 years being employed to visit people in their homes, as part of a process involving handing out government grants to the 'poor' as part of my job, I reckon I've as good a handle on 'child poverty' in this country as most.

    My sister has just retired after many years working as a Health Visitor . She certainly had plenty of tales to tell about the sort of misfits being allowed to procreate in this country... and then continue to be responsible for rearing those children.

    I don't apologise for using the word 'fecund' either. Expand your mind... not your family.
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  17. oss
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    Never apologise about using a precise technical term, although I doubt they are any more fertile than the rest of us ;) :)

    Where I come from I grew up in a working class area and had a working class upbringing even though my dad was bringing in a professional grade salary, he was the eldest child in a family of thirteen.

    Many in that family went on to be very successful, but one of my uncles was a complete disaster, him and his many kids stealing lead off church roofs, that uncle in later years was one of the best known local town tramps, his kids were never looked after some suffered from mental problems, total disaster the lot of them.

    And in that town as I got older I saw plenty of people that I really didn't like, the whole town is a dump now with all the nice area's deteriorating beyond belief. I escaped from the place to move to a nice village on the Clyde and it felt like that like an escape.

    Point is if I gave in to instinct I would probably be promoting eugenics.
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