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#DespiteBrexit

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Markham, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    The threat to British ex-pats was in an EU document "leaked" to the Guardian.
    The threat that the UK won't get the fishing waters back was in another EU document "leaked" to the Guardian.

    There seems to be a slurry of questionable EU threats going around at the moment.

    The sooner we get article 50 triggered the better, then residency rights can be negotiated sensibly, as indeed they must be.
  2. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I agree, personally I can only see one type of Brexit (total separation) too and that's the one that suits me down to the ground :)

    The expat situation should have been sorted out straight after the vote to leave the EU in my opinion, there seems less will on the EU side of things to address this issue.

    You never know I might have something to moan about in a couple of months :)

    I do not believe you will be deported from Malta any time soon Mark old boy, but keep the suitcases handy just in case :)
  3. Timmers
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    As you say, lets get article 50 triggered and we can then start to put some of these concerns to bed.
  4. Markham
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    We went to our local chemist this lunchtime to pick-up my monthly supply of medication and were followed into the shop by a middle-aged couple. I asked the pharmacist for my inhalant whereupon the male half of that couple, jabbed me with his forefinger and said in a raised voice and French accent "go back to little England, you are not welcome in Europe". He then told the pharmacist not to serve me which I thought a bit odd until the Pharmacist took the pack of Ultibro from the counter to put back on the shelf, told me that monsieur owned the shop and that I have to go elsewhere for my prescription. That, by the way, was €70 the pharmacy didn't bank today.

    Anecdotally among the Brits who live here, I've met and keep in touch with - all bar one of whom voted to "Remain" - most report that hostility towards them has increased since the referendum but rarely from Maltese or Gozitans, mostly from northern Europeans.
  5. Timmers
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    Sorry to hear of your bad experience, I'd have laid the frog out for sure, no need for such unprovoked childish behaviour, you might be able to get your own back if Le Pen is elected :)
  6. Markham
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    I'm pretty sure Le Pen will not make it beyond the first round. The next French President may well be the socialist Benoît Hamon as François Fillon's chances will be adversely affected by the Police investigation for fraud. Hamon is a far-left politician and France's direct equivalent to Jeremy Corbyn, he's certainly not an Anglophile.
  7. Dave_E
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    That's just bare racial hatred, totally unacceptable, especially from an individual acting in a professional capacity.
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  8. Markham
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    I strongly suspect that the EU's negotiators will be instructed to ignore any representations made by EU businesses for concessions to lessen a brutal divorce "settlement" whereby Britain loses its share of EU assets (our share is estimated at £50 billion), its fishing grounds are forfeited and is presented with a €50 - 60 billion cash demand. And no trade deal. Northern European politicians seem prepared to totally ignore their electorates and the likely short-to-medium-term pain for EU businesses so that they can punish Britain to prevent other countries following Britain. In that scenario, I would not be confident that Mrs May will stick to her guns but seeks approval to cancel Brexit which would force us to re-apply to the EU and the club would be most foolish if it didn't make the terms of our membership even worse than they are now including forced adoption of the Euro.

    The 52% won the battle. The 48% will win the war.

    From local reportage of the recent Malta Summit, the northern European nations have decided to speed-up the rate at which the EU27 becomes a single sovereign nation; Germany and France are firmly in the driving seat.
  9. Timmers
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    I don't think Le Pen is going to be President either, I'm just hoping she puts on a good show just to worry the boys back in Brussels.
  10. Timmers
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    I agree that that the UK will walk away with little or nothing from the negotiations however I do not think for one minute that Brexit will be cancelled thus making us the laughing stock of Europe, I prey to God not anyway :)
  11. Markham
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    It's all a bit academic. Harmon will be the last President of France and he will only be known for for his signature on the Treaty that ends the French nation and surrenders its sovereignty to Brussels.
  12. Markham
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    There are nasty vindictive people in Europe, such as the former French Prime Minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, who would dearly love to see Britain bankrupted and broken by Brexit and will do all they can to influence this eventuality. They will be supported in the voting lobby by all the former eastern bloc countries for whom the EU is a generous donor; for them, Brexit means being given less money. Countries like Finland that want a fair settlement for both parties will be out-voted.
  13. Markham
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    #DespiteBrexit, a new runway is set to be constructed at Heathrow. Why "#DespiteBrexit?", you ask. For the very simple reason that Brexit may well result in there being no flights between the UK and Europe, post-Brexit and with a dramatic cut in flights to and from the airport, a third runway would be a hugely expensive white elephant.

    Britain is currently part of the Open Skies Treaty which encompasses the twenty-eight EU nations and the United States. As membership of this Treaty relies on accepting the primacy of the European Court of Justice and as Theresa May has categorically stated that Britain will no longer be subject to the ECJ, we will no longer be part of Open Skies and consequently there can be no flights between the UK and the EU, whilst flight slots to and from the US would need to be renegotiated.

    The likelihood that Britain will cease membership of Open Skies has caused Ryanair's boss, Michael O'Leary, to announce that his airline will not be seeking any new routes to or from the UK, is ceasing the recruitment of UK-based employees, including flight crews, and will start repositioning aircraft outside the UK.

    One thought: how do they intend to repatriate the 1.3 million Britons who face likely deportation if aircraft can not fly between UK and European airports?!
  14. Timmers
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    Well, if there is any repatriation then I'm 100% sure there will be a better quality of person arriving in the UK than leaving.

    I sense from your recent posts you are becoming pessimistic, get a grip man :)
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    No I sense he is indulging in baiting :)
  16. Markham
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    Having spoken with a number of people here recently, including a senior civil servant from the Gozo Ministry, although I stand by my decision to vote Leave and would vote the same way again, I no longer have the confidence that what you, I and the rest of the 52% voted for will happen. There are too many people in Europe and in the UK who have no interest in Brexit succeeding. Too many of these people are British civil servants who are now required to put aside everything they believe in and work against their core principals.

    If the EU does order British ex-pats to leave their EU homes and return to Britain, there's a chance we Brits might be permitted to continue living on Malta by virtue of the British Commonwealth but that courtesy won't necessarily apply to non-EU spouses and offspring. There's no chance of being granted Family Permits for the UK as these are not available to the retired - UKVI will only issue them to the families of "economically-active" British citizens. I have little to be optimistic about.
  17. Markham
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    You couldn't be more wrong.
  18. oss
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    Well if I am wrong, I'm not going to use those four little words, too late anyway, all any of us can do now is wait and see.
  19. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    On va voir...
  20. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    This is what the Chinese call "the wilder shores of fantasy"!

    You know nothing of aviation law and are bullshitting wildly.

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