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Should NHS patients have to show their passport?

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by Timmers, Nov 22, 2016.

  1. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    what about all these amateur " sports" men who break legs--or worse--kicking balls around. why should they get NHS emergency treatment for self inflicted wounds ? they should have to buy insurance to cover their sports injuries.....to pay for medical treatment--as well as compensation to their employers to cover the cost of their absence from work.
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  2. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    totally agree
  3. graham59
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    graham59 Banned

    ... not to mention all the idiots who fall down or lose themselves on mountains in the middle of blinkin winter... because they like a 'challenge'. :rolleyes:
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  4. Jim
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    Jim Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    what if you are cyclist or a jogger that gets knocked down and need emergency brain surgery and on a life support machine and need a blood transfusion and put in a coma because they dont have enough doctors or beds or hospital, do they pay the NHS bill.
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  5. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    There is a difference between accidents and abuse,and one reason the NHS dont have enough beds, doctors and not forgetting nurses and support staff is the abuse of the system by others.
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  6. graham59
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    graham59 Banned

    For example:

    How many drunken lowlifes clutter up A and E every day of the week ?

    Send them a BIG bill. Seems they can afford the booze and the clubbing !

    They can have their own section too, so that decent people don't have to put up with their animal behaviour.
    A barn with straw on the floor should be suitable.
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  7. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Why waste straw? Oh now I am being heartless
  8. Maley
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    Oh i agree. A pen outside the bar would suffice, they wont notice anything (cold, rain, bug, mud, etc) since they are too drunk.

    If you can afford that much booze to be that wasted, you should be able to afford to pay hospitalization.
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  9. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    The NHS should return to its roots - healing the sick and it must stop providing free elective procedures on demand. It is not fair to expect the taxpayer to fund boob jobs or pay for gender realignment whilst the health service refuses to fund life-saving cancer treatments. And yes, if you participate in sport or risky activites then it's right you should carry insurance in case of injury to yourself or others.
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  10. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

  11. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    well--thats come home to roost. my son--41 this month--now has a broken collar bone from playing rugby...so cant drive for a while. high time he hung up his boots--for good.
  12. John Surrey
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    Anyone earning more than ... hmmm say £100,000 should be barred from using it as they almost certainly have BUPA or something similar and can afford to pay somewhere else.
  13. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Ban those who contribute most to the NHS from using it.
    Let the rich capitalists die by the roadside for their sins of success.
    Dedicate the NHS to serving poor people, those who earn £99,999.99 or less.

    Don't think that's a very well thought out idea.​
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  14. John Surrey
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    John Surrey Well-Known Member

    So err... "those who contribute most to the NHS" where did you get this [fact] from ?
  15. John Surrey
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    John Surrey Well-Known Member

    tax.jpg

    There.

    If you cannot trust the Guardian who can you trust?
  16. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    The graphic clearly shows that the top 10% pay a higher percentage in tax than the average person.

    35.43% of a high income will be significantly more than 33.39% of an average income.

    Never trust the Guardian. :cool:
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  17. John Surrey
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    John Surrey Well-Known Member

    Yes you're absolutely right!

    100 people earning 150,000.00 = 15,000,000.00 taxed @ 35.43% will generate £5,314,500.00

    10,000.00 people earning 15,000.00 = 150,000,000.00 taxed @ 33.39% will generate £50,085,000.00

    So... the 10,000 average Joes will contribute £44,770,500 than the 100 higher earners - Oh no you're not!
  18. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    ?????

    Note that I was talking about "a high income" (singular) against "an average income" (singular).

    You are taking a ratio of 100 high incomes against 10,000 lower incomes, distorting the figures by a factor of 100.

    But hey, if it keeps you happy... :D
  19. graham59
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    The poorest people in this country pay no taxes at all, and it seems likely that they are also the largest group of net beneficiaries of the public purse (apart from MPs and government employees of course. :) ).
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  20. oss
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    What do you think BUPA or any other health insurance in the UK gets you?

    All it does is let you jump the queue and gets you your own room (maybe if you are lucky) if you happen to have to spend a bit of time in hospital, the caveats in the small print of even the top end policies will exclude anything that you have ever suffered from before you took out insurance, there is an excess on every policy of, in my case at least, 200 pounds on every consultation.

    If you do get ill your premiums go up so high that you will never again be able to afford them.

    My employer provides the health insurance (and it is a top end policy) and I pay additional tax as a result, I have been thinking of dumping it because a) I don't really agree with private health care and b) it has been pretty useless to me in the 8 years I have had it, on the one occasion I used the insurance it cost me £400 in excess fees, I was seen to by the same people that would have treated me in the NHS the whole experience was nothing special.

    I have since been seen on the NHS about another problem that because I was honest and admitted that I had suffered the condition for the last 15 years or more meant that the health insurance company wiped their hands of it, the NHS saw me promptly checked everything in detail including an MRI scan and two other extremely unpleasant inspections, I saw a very good consultant that explained everything to me and we came to an agreement that my condition was untreatable but not life threatening, my mind was put at rest and I just get on with life and endure a bit of misery now and then.

    And I certainly don't earn £100,000 a year but I'm not that far off it, I pay a hell of a lot of tax and I certainly could not afford the full price of private health insurance unless my employer paid for it.

    And one last thing why do you think my employer pays that insurance, I've spoken to him because I know damn fine why he pays for it and it sure as hell is not for my benefit!

    In the event of illness he wants me back behind the keyboard churning out code as quick as it can possibly happen, the insurance is for the benefit of his business not for me, when I suggested using it for a problem I had a couple of years ago, and after being taxed on it for 8 years he even had the gall to suggest that I use the NHS because quite a few people in the business had recently had small issues either personally or with other family members that were covered and as a result the premiums were getting a bit expensive!!!!

    I will admit that even he has opted for NHS treatment sometimes rather than using the insurance and he is well over the £100,000 earning limit you propose.

    The whole point of the NHS is that it is a public insurance some people get a lot out of it some people don't get much out of it at all, it's an insurance, it stops being an insurance when you start slicing and dicing it with conditions right, left and centre.

    The NHS has problems that result from largely from changes in life expectancy and improvements in medical technology, in any normal insurance scheme as the costs go up the premiums go up, the correct solution to pay for the NHS is higher tax for everyone, realistic tax because what they are doing now trying to pare it to the bone is an unrealistic expectation.

    All of you that want to blame one group or other for their behaviour and cost to the NHS are basically saying you want someone else to pay a loaded premium for the bit of the service they happen to use, a motorcyclist has an accident oh motor cycles are more dangerous than cars so bikers should pay more for the NHS, once you start down that road it will never end and it will become a private insurance where only the supremely healthy can afford any kind of cover, you are turning it into exactly what the people that want it privatised want it to be, a private expensive insurance system available only to those that can afford it.
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