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Britons living in Europe could lose right to live in another EU country

Discussion in 'Europe Wide Visa Discussions' started by KeithAngel, Jul 21, 2017.

  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ould-lose-right-to-live-in-another-eu-country

    British people living in the European Union could lose the right to live in another EU member state after Brexit, it emerged at the end of talks in Brussels.

    British officials raised the issue with their European counterparts during three-and-a-half days of intense technical talks. The EU made clear it would not move without a reciprocal offer for European nationals living in Britain that would allow them to move to another EU country and return to the UK.
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  2. Markham
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  3. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Yawn.

    Sure that things will work out OK, despite what the Guardian waffles on about.
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  4. CampelloChris
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    CampelloChris Well-Known Member

    They might lose the right, but not the opportunity. British people have lived all over Europe well before the Eurocrats graciously bestowed it upon us as a right.

    Britain will never leave the EU anyway. Brexit will fail.***

    ***The above is my own opinion. Not much that could be said will change that, nor do I expect to change your own views. Let's all just wait and see.
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  5. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    There are also 10,s of thousands of Brits currently residing in Europe under free movement who wont be able to return to the UK with their Non EU Spouses lets hope there host country of choice works out once SS is no longer accepted
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  6. CampelloChris
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    I'd be over the moon if they told me I couldn't return to England with my wife. It would give me just the excuse I need. I could apply for asylum somewhere - anywhere else than cold, rainy, miserable Britain
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  7. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Unfortunatly its not you thats excluded:D
  8. Markham
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    Several over-looked issues here:
    • Freedom of Movement to/from UK is set to continue for at least 5 years post-Brexit - according to our chief negotiator.
    • The EU will have to give reciprocal rights to Britons in EU in exchange for those EU27 citizens in UK.
    • Families with young children who are British citizens may have additional rights under Human Rights legislation.
    • A one-off limited period "amnesty" is, I'm told, being considered which would allow non-EU spouses to accompany their British partners and children to UK, should they wish to do so.
    • Brexit may not happen.
  9. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Its going ever so well. This was supposed to tbe the quick win. Only 20 months left to deal with the more trickier issues.
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  10. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    The cureent position is that returning Brits are running into "insufficient CoL" and "Circumvention of UK Rules" Refusals of a Residence Card where does your amnesty info come from? Link?
  11. CampelloChris
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    I'd like to see them try that one with us. I've lived in Spain since 2004, my wife since May 2016 - Brexit is not possible before the end of March 2019, by which time Melody will have lived here for three years and me for fifteen.

    Other than Spain just where they could assume our Centre of Life to be would be interesting. And I never knew anyone whose stay in Spain exceeded the minimum requirement by some 2900% to be accused of Circumventing the UK Rules. At least in my case, they are going to have a difficult job convincing a sane judge that I'm fiddling the system.

    So, problem one solved. Just where to live and what the f**k to do with our lives, after having been expectorated onto British soil from our home in Spain.
  12. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I have an equally hard one for them to challenge since we were in our host country before the rule change on income and there for 18 months but they still forced me to appeal and win in the tribunal
  13. CatchFriday
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    CatchFriday British Expat living in Alicante, Spain

    It is extremely unlikely that Britons will loose that right, in the media it is all scaremongering - the stuff that sells newspapers.
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  14. David of Mersea
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    I spend a lot of my time living in Ibiza and Spain needs us Brits to come and spend our money there, without it, they are in deep ...... , and they know it
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  15. CampelloChris
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    Reading back through this thread, I found that I had said that Brexit will fail. It appears I might have been a bit optimistic. The exit process is being protected from all sides. No second referendum will be permitted. No matter what the cost, Britain will leave the EU. We are on an express train, and there are no more stops before our destination.

    Regarding the Ex-Pat population in Spain, I'm sure that the numbers will dwindle dramatically, as many who live here have never bothered to establish themselves on a legal footing. But in doing so (leaving) they will continue to depress the Spanish economy - the housing market will obviously have an oversupply of properties as people up sticks and return to the UK.

    Many Brits in Spain rely on other Brits for their income and employment, and as the population shrinks, so will their income. As much as the EU like to think we are all integrated Europeans, it simply isn't true. This is not made up - in 13 years living in Spain, I don't know of a single British person who has a job that could be done by a Spaniard. Nobody I know drives a bus, works in a supermarket or a bank. Nobody makes deliveries for a courier company. Nothing. Instead, there is a British economy that runs parallel to the Spanish, and is staffed by Brits.

    I've come to look forward to Brexit, and will probably return with my wife in a year, just before the actual end.
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  16. David of Mersea
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    As I said in my post above, I spend a lot of time living Ibiza Spain. I don't agree that the number of Brits in Spain will dwindle, why should Brits in Spain leave? I believe they will stay for the same reasons that they went there in the first place, also Spain needs them there spending their money, so will encourage them to stay.

    You are also saying that "Many Brits in Spain rely on other Brits for their income and employment". It is my experience that the vast majority of Brits in Spain are retired people, and that is why "Nobody you know drives a bus, works in a supermarket or a bank. Nobody makes deliveries for a courier company."

    Presumably you are happy in Spain, and if that is so, why come back to cold wet Britain just before Brexit? I will continue to live there in Ibiza
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    I use to work in Spain and employed British staff.
  18. David of Mersea
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    Of all the people I know working in Ibiza I can only think of three English people working there, one is a girl working in a bar, one a girl that has a shop selling tourist tat and another is an Englishman who runs an auction house, and they all speak fluent Spanish
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  20. Markham
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    And so it has ever been thus: British expats do tend to form their own communities in foreign countries where English is not the first language spoken. We are not good integrationists, something we share with the vast majority of Muslims, for example. Actually we're not terribly good about learning foreign languages, indeed we are rather to lazy to do so and instead resort to speaking to the 'natives' slowly and in a raised voice - often accompanied by weird and wholly unnecessary gesticulations: very bad manners.

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