1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Jim
    Offline

    Jim Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Hell no, that lot will last me a week lol
  2. bigmac
    Offline

    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    my wife bought me a box of 24--here--locally through a flipino grocers--last year. ive still got a few left.
  3. Anon220806
    Offline

    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Dr Aseem Malhotra and a few others are currently in dialogue with the U.K. government on mitigating Covid 19 using dietary means. Basically, along the lines of Eat Real Food, Protect the NHS, Save Lives. I get all the twitter feeds from a number of people involved and the letter was in one of them. It turns out Matt Hancock lost a pile of weight on a low carb approach to eating. Tom Watson has done the same. David Davies too. And they are all talking to one another as the penny is dropping. Quite a few of the newspapers are on it right now. The pandemic has really drawn their attention to dietary forms of mitigation. The Vit D thing is part of. Basically if someone has pre existing co morbidities then they don’t benefit from the Vit D that they might take in. So whilst Vit D levels are a mitigating factor it has to be presupported by the right diet and health condition.

    877B0FEF-0FD2-4B8A-998A-E52875B0B4E5.jpeg

    This was quite interesting too:

    F720F662-FBF3-4C8F-9B3F-B802D4688029.jpeg
    Last edited: May 19, 2020
  4. oss
    Offline

    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    The mitigation effects have not been fully established at this point, the original vitamin D studies were done up to ten years ago and were related to the chances of catching colds they did not take into account diet.

    The other study you mentioned a while back made a link between Vitamin D levels and deaths, given the low rate of deaths for those with >30 (nano? micro gram) levels it is unlikely that across the population only already fit and healthy people gained any benefit.

    Ten years ago my sister lost a lot of weight using this kind of diet I know it works, but she did not stick with it.

    Yeah the second chart is interesting too.
  5. Anon220806
    Offline

    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    There is a lot of work going on regarding Vitamin D now.



    What a number of doctors within the NHS are calling for is a carbohydrate restricted diet to mitigate against a range of conditions. They are banging at the door quite hard now and the door is ajar right now. Indeed, it has to be a lifestyle change and not just for a few months. Boris is onto it. He knows now.

    Anyone who can’t leave the doughnuts alone will not succeed with such a diet. It has to be for life, just like it was 50, 60, 70 years ago.

    Quoting from iNews
    “Dr Aseem Malhotra, a London-based cardiologist who the Health Secretary asked to advise him on the links between ill health, obesity and the coronavirus, has written to Mr Hancock saying there is a "huge lack of awareness" among the public and scientific community about the role poor metabolic health is playing in the pandemic. It is also "likely" to be the most significant factor as to why those from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) backgrounds are disproportionately affected by Covid-19, he said.“

    This stuff isn’t going to go away, despite some resistance from the public comprising many that through no real fault of their own have gone down the wrong dietary path over the last half century.
    Last edited: May 19, 2020
  6. bigmac
    Offline

    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i started a low carb diet last year. ive slowly lost about 20 lb.
    sugar in coffee down from 2 teaspoons to half--and fewer of them. a lot less rice..hardly any pasta..new potatoes about once a week--tonight 3 of them..small. small portion of chips once a week--if that. i eat meat, chicken, root veges and greens. salad stuffs. hardly any. puddings, sweets, biscuits cakes chocolates.
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Anon220806
    Offline

    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    It works, doesn’t it. Had you considered sweeteners instead of sugar. I lost 12 kilo ( almost 2 stone) in a year. Most came off in the first few months. No exercise required.

    Do you get hungry on that sort of diet? I don’t as I eat more fat like cheese etc.
  8. bigmac
    Offline

    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i'm always hungry. i ignore it. its the same feeling i get when i need a drink.
  9. Anon220806
    Offline

    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Just ordered a set of these. I am looking like the Wild Man of a Borneo and badly need a haircut!
  10. Anon220806
    Offline

    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    From Dr David Unwin, Southport GP who is also working for Matt Hancock right now:
    “Furthermore, overweight people have a problem with low levels of vitamin D, which is important for building and regulating our immune systems. Being overweight appears to cause the deficiency, according to a major study involving 42,000 people published in the journal PLOS Medicine in 2013.

    Because vitamin D is fat-soluble and is stored in the fatty tissue, researchers believe it becomes dispersed in a greater volume of body fat, preventing it circulating effectively around the body.”

    (PLOS Medicine is a peer-reviewed weekly medical journal covering the full spectrum of the medical sciences).

    Study conclusion :
    “In conclusion, we demonstrated that the association between BMI and lower 25(OH)D concentrations in Caucasian populations from North America and Europe can be seen across different age groups and in both men and women. We also show that higher BMI leads to lower vitamin D status, providing evidence for the role of obesity as a causal risk factor for the development of vitamin D deficiency. Together with the suggested increases in vitamin D requirements in obese individuals [45],[50], our study highlights the importance of monitoring and treating vitamin D deficiency as a means of alleviating the adverse influences of excess adiposity on health. Our findings suggest that population level interventions to reduce obesity would be expected to lead to a reduction in the prevalence of vitamin D deficiency.“
    Last edited: May 19, 2020
  11. oss
    Offline

    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    That's fair, it had crossed my mind.

    It's also likely that obese people spend less time in the sun and exercise less which would also reduce vitamin D production.

    And as I have stated before me personally I knew I was deficient for several of these reasons which is why I am on the higher dose per day but that risks vitamin D toxicity as well.

    I should add that the vitamin D thing is no magic bullet, for me I am trying to reduce the risks of cold and flu in line with the existing studies and I am not assuming it has any value against SARS-Cov-2.

    I might buy a vitamin D test.
  12. Anon220806
    Offline

    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Indeed, it’s like walking a tightrope. I have upped my Vit D in that I eat more eggs these days. I do try and get outside though normally only if the weather is okay. In the case of Mrs Ash, she works nights and of course has a typical Filipino skin colour (though I am sure her skin is lighter now than it was in the Philippines - though she claims the opposite). But she eats loads of sardines and oily fish.
  13. Jim
    Offline

    Jim Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I'v stockpiled my red horse to 7 crates now, just in case the governor changes his mind about the booze ban ;)
  14. bigmac
    Offline

    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    my wife would love a light skin..but i prefer the skin she's in.
  15. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I often tell my wife that there are many light coloured westerners who would kill for her complexion! Simply gorgeous
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. Anon220806
    Offline

    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Same here. Crazy, isn’t it!
  17. bigmac
    Offline

    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    and when i think i could have ended up with another british woman.

    upload_2020-5-20_21-42-56.png upload_2020-5-20_21-42-56.png
  18. aposhark
    Offline

    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Things can change for people though:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
    Last edited: May 21, 2020
  19. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Can you catch covid 19 from swimming in the baths?
  20. oss
    Offline

    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I've read that the chlorine in the water should deactivate the virus, however the highly humid atmosphere and closed nature of UK swimming pools makes the environment very dangerous as any virus particles breathed out by an infected individual are more likely to remain suspended in the air.

    One of the reasons that churches are bad is due to singing, when your vocal chords vibrate when you speak virus in the trachea and larynx will be shed as it is a moist environment which is being vibrated at modestly high frequency so aerosol droplets get formed and breathed out when you speak, singing is worse and swimming pools are places where there are a lot of excited children and sometimes loud adults too, so you can make the potential connection, the humid air means that the aerosol could persist longer.

Share This Page