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Shamima Begum

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 16, 2019.

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Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K

  1. yes she is a British citizen

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    5.6%
  2. no

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%
  3. Yes but under stringent curfews

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Druk1
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    Here's her new PR manager :)
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  4. Mattecube
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  5. PorkAdobo
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    If we were going to strip someone of their nationality, we should have done it to this Aussie celeb sex offender.

    Born in Oz, raised in Oz, became famous in Oz, commited his offences in Oz, sentenced in Oz. Only British through descent.

    We allow him to renounce his Aussie citizenship and he will live his final years in the UK (and presumably on the register). If there was a case of telling an individual and Australia to jog on if they thought we could take on their problem, this was it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-61669953.amp

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  6. Druk1
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    We did, shamima :)
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  8. Mattecube
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  9. Druk1
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  10. walesrob
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    The BBC is a public service broadcaster. It is impartial and independent. Its why the Beeb is respected around the world to provide news delivered in a typical British manner with impartiality, accuracy and fairness.

    Now, whether you believe that, up to you.

    The whole Shamima story is driven by "religion". The BBC is providing us with an insight with makes people kill in the name of "religion". Or what makes people hate so much, they feel the need to flee to a third world country and throw themselves into the cause of a terrorist organisation. Why are these people so brainwashed, and even more so, what makes them tick?
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  11. Druk1
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    Kid a few streets away from me, radicalised in Iraq, came to the UK with the intention of committing an atrocity, bombed a train but his ineptitude at rigging an IED meant no-one was killed in the blast, currently serving life with a minimum of 34 years.
    10 parter on Begum isn't really needed.
  12. John Surrey
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    Seems like the BBC is now being run by Women for the benefit of Women over Men... you only have to look at the stupid way they mix up the reporting of "Womens Football" with Football a game the entire world follows:
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    What a sad sight that is.
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  13. Mattecube
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    You make a valid point! Anybody noticed the trend on ITV and the commercials?
    Oh and on the roadside adverts!
  14. Aromulus
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    The poor misunderstood murderous soul will be soon featured on one of Markle's podcasts to highlight institutional British racism...
  15. Mattecube
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    3 in a bed!
  16. John Surrey
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    Merry Xmas.

    What roadside adverts ?
  17. Druk1
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    I think the BBC aired a program on her last night?Anyone watch it?How did it portray her?
  18. walesrob
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    Just watched it now on iPlayer.

    My overwhelming feeling is that, as a 15 year old, she was incredibly naïve. At the age, most youngsters are. She even admitted that if she had the chance to talk to her 15 year old self, she would have told her not to be so stupid, but she says, the 15 year old wouldn't listen.

    She acknowledges time and time again she made the wrong choice, and that she would have to live with guilt for the rest of her life. The poor girl went through hell, her 3 babies all died, all before she was 20. On top of that, they stripped her of her citizenship. That was the cruellest. She's now stuck in limbo, in a camp in the desert. The camp is not secure, they are vulnerable. ISIS could come along and kill them all.

    Yes, there are questions about what she actually did during her time in Raqqa. She claims she never took part in any fighting. What does it matter? Bring her home, and let her face British justice, at least she will be safe here, rather than stuck in limbo. She even admitted, when asked, where did she think she'll be in 7 years time, she replied "stuck in this camp."

    Shamima always came across very articulate and honest in the interviews, but showed little visible emotion (she didn't cry once recalling the harrowing times she'd been through). Many will perceive this the wrong way, when it could be down to her culture not to show emotion.

    So in conclusion, the sensible thing to do would be to restore her citizenship and let her face the music at home. Leaving her rotting away in the desert does not solve anything.
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    There are no political points to be gained by doing as you propose and whilst probably the right thing to do it carries real risk that would have to be managed. I'm sure she has been told how to present herself to try and get back so don't think can really trust what she says.

    She has been vilified by the press and current government are only to happy to continue with that so can't see any changes on that front. And that means nothing to be gained letting her back and political points potentially from refusing.

    Taking her back here for trial is probably a non starter. We don't know the information about her and her activities abroad but not convinced that would secure a conviction. If don't get a conviction for something significant then again harder to manage her and risk she carries back in the UK.

    If she thinks she will be there in seven years time then I think she is right.

    Leaving her rot in the desert has lots of political benefit. Restoring her citizenship and taking her back has hugh loss of political capital and can't see the current home secretary giving any of her political capital for her.

    Its about the politics now so any moral or right thing issues are long gone. She made a tragic mistake as a teenager and will now pay the penalty. Tried in UK court and convicted doubt she would get any scentance comparable with what she has gone through and is currently living through but not getting back to UK any time soon and if she did never getting her out of UK as no one else will take her.
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  20. Druk1
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    I think if labour get into power during the next election she will get back into the UK.
  21. Aromulus
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    Personally I don't believe a word she said. And I would find her return to the UK as a dangerous precedent and she would, definitively, be idolised by ISIS sympathisers, thus rising the danger levels of lone wolf attacks.


    I don't know how much truths is in the article, but just the suspicion of her being part of that squad, makes me shudder and feel fear if she was to return to Britain.

    I realise she is someone's daughter, but if she was mine, I would have no qualms in leaving her to stew in exile in the desert.

    My tuppence.
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