Who's Staying Up Tonight? :D

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  1. Anon220806
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    For sure.
  2. aposhark
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    It wasn't the election outcome I'd envisioned.
    Seems that the previous coalition finished off the LibDems and the SNP finished off Labour.
    I still think we haven't heard the last of "Nige" though.
  3. Anon220806
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    It will need to be a silver bullet in daylight... :D
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    Apart from the Tory majority Im pretty happy, Green Party increased its vote fourfold finished second in half a dozen seats and over a hundred candidates got more than 5% saving there deposits, (as opposed to two in 2010), membership continues to grow and icing on the cake Caroline Lucas increased her majority .
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    Greens??

    You been at that portugiese clear stuff again??
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  6. Anon220806
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    I wonder if so many of our Jockanese cousins would have voted SNP if they knew they would end up on the opposition benches?
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  7. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Yeah they would have voted the same way, this wasn't and isn't tactical, it's a fundamental change.
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    Wow, not seen the results till now as I have just arrived back from Mexico, the political landscape is not as I had expected it to be.

    I think that this is a far better outcome than could have been expected, a strong centre government with no need for a coalition, definitely the best result for the economy.

    Liberal Democrats, bit of a shocker, can they recover?

    UKIP did very well as already mentioned, just a shame that the popular support and high number of votes that they gained has only given them a single seat.

    George Galloway, the eccentric "respect" party nutcase from Bradford is out on his arse, and is supposedly blaming the Jews and zionists. :lol:
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  9. Aromulus
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    That is what "Call me Dave" counted on, as he was plotting to target all LibDem seats with extra manpower and resources.
    SNP destroying Labour north of the border was a stitch up for Sturgeon, really. That is why she is as mad as a hatter with Dave... She knows he rolled her over... Genius.
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  10. Markham
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    It was a brilliant strategy and what's the betting that one of the first bits of business for the new government will be some legislation to prevent Scots MPs being able to vote on laws that don't affect Scotland.
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    Ukip's voters numbered 3,881,129 (12.6%) and one MP whilst the Lib Dems got 2,415,888 votes (7.9%) and got 8 MPs. But that inequality pales to nothing if we bring the SNP into the equation: 1,454,436 people voted for the SNP (50% of the Scottish electorate and just 4.7% of the total electorate) and yet were rewarded with 56 MPs. Unpleasant a thought as it may be to some, in terms of popular support, Ukip is the third party of British politics, there's no escaping that fact.

    I think there's a very good case for reducing Scotland's allocation of Westminster seats - the country has its own Parliament to which many powers are devolved - and the seats saved redistributed to the more populous areas of England.
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    PR has been on the agenda for a long time and was an obstacle and point of policy for the Lib Dens, but no one other than the affected parties gives a stuff about PR. So it has never happened.
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    Having the SNP in Westminster is rather like having UKIP in Brussels. :D

    Both want to end the Union.
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    Anyone remember this? Can just imagine 56 marauding SNP MPs in Westminster. :D

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    PR has been called for by the SNP and Lib Dems for decades, all we have ever heard back is that nothing is broken so we're not going to fix it.

    Volte-face attitudes like this where the rules are made up and changed to suit the powers that be are just one of a long long list of reasons for what happened in Scotland on Thursday.

    You can complain as much as you like but this has been coming for decades, at the very least for 40 years of my adult life.

    And like it or not the Scots hold fundamentally different views to the majority of the Southern population, the contempt that the majority of Scots hold for UKIP and the likes being just one example.

    You have a first past the post system that has suited the major parties for pretty much all of history and which will now be re-jigged through another round of boundary changes to ensure you pretty much have Tories forever, and in spite of the so called injustices in that system the Scots have still made themselves heard, to paraphrase what the south has been telling us pretty much forever, stop moanin and get on with it, this is how it works and it's not changing any time soon.
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    Thats what I just said. :D
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    Indeed John, just wanted to point out clearly that it had been the Scots themselves who were a major block calling for PR.
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    I am not as surprised that the Conservatives did better than expected by many - straw polls often tend not to capture Tory voters, as they often seem loathe to admit voting that way! When I saw the exit poll, I thought they would get a small majority.

    It was always going to be about the economy first and foremost, and the effect of economic recovery for some, not about the food banks, growing social inequality, increased levels of child poverty, misguided education policies, NHS in crisis and so on. I think that's sad, but there you go.

    Given the results, it seems that Scotland has a huge say on regional and national events, NI and Wales have their assemblies...I am worried about the North of England, it seems to be the one that has the least voice, has great economic problems that a largely Southern recovery hasn't really alleviated, and is politically more out of step than the rest of the country. I predict a riot?

    However, my beef isn't with the Tories - you know what you are getting with them. Labour are just unelectable, unappealing, directionless and really need to sort themselves out, and I hate to say it, but I wouldn't trust them to organise a crèche, let alone a country.
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  20. Markham
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    I'm going to reserve judgement on the success of the SNP's campaign until the result of the Scottish Parliamentary election next year is known. I have a feeling that the SNP will not fare well and that Scottish Labour will take control once more. And the Westminster election has gone exactly as Sturgeon wanted it to - she did NOT want Miliband in Number 10. She wanted Cameron there so that when the Scottish economy dips because of SNP measures - and as is predicted by her party - she can blame Westminster and the Tories; that would have been harder to do were her puppet Miliband been Prime Minister. In week or two, she will have to reveal cuts in NHS funding - something that has been known for weeks but not publicised too widely, for all the obvious reasons.

    Cameron should agree a timetable with Sturgeon for Scottish independence and have that happen by the end of the year, then their 50 or so MPs will have no need to rack-up expenses, take on second homes and space on the green benches thereby saving us all a load of money, argument and heartbreak. They want it so bad - let them have it and quickly, please. Scotland can then become the federalist republic its leaders so desire.

    As for the boundary changes, they are long overdue. All three major parties acknowledged the fact that the current boundaries had a built-in disadvantage for the Conservatives. Whilst in government, Clegg reneged on a promise not to oppose boundary changes provided Cameron agreed to a referendum on the voting system. That plebiscite took place, the motion was defeated and so Clegg took his revenge by vetoing any boundary changes. It's not just Labour and the Tory leaderships that wish to retain the 'first past the post' electoral system, it's the voting public too. But the electorate have obviously forgiven Clegg as it was tactical voting by Conservatives in his constituency that sealed his victory.
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