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seems crazy and unfair

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 27, 2017.

  1. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

  2. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    That's just awful. Who are these people that can only look at one tick in a box rather than the whole story. There has to be a point where the country says its all over, you do not need to keep qualifying
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

  4. Anon04576
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    I do sympathise with the lady but why oh why didnt she apply for citizenship.
  5. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    As usual we don't really get all the full information. It doesn't say exactly how long she was out of the country.

    It seems she was here on a visitor visa and overstayed. She must have known she didn't have ILR any more.

    It's very unfortunate, but the worst thing you can do is try to cheat the rules.
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  6. Maharg
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    Probably for the same reason that the many people I know from Japan who live in the UK have never applied for citizenship. Because their home country doesn't allow dual citizenship.

    My ex-wife and another friend from Japan don't want to lose their Japanses citizenship so just continue on ILR here.
  7. Anon04576
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    Then they understand that they cant be out of the country for long periods then.
  8. Maharg
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    Yea, I agree with that as they are here 'indefinitely' rather than permanently.

    As I said, the article doesn't say how long she was out of the country. It might have been years for all we know.
  9. Anon04576
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    Yea it could have been years but the period seems to have been breached. As you say many of these stories are never fully explained or in context.
  10. Maley
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    It teaches us one major lesson: make sure all your documents and papers are in place accordance with the current rules. Had she sorted out her papers early on (i.e. 20 yrs ago), before stricter rules was put in place, she would not have this problem.

    Burying your head in sand wont make the problem disappear.
  11. Maharg
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    A bit more information can be weaned from this article. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39099574

    They married in 1990 then moved to Singapore in 1992. One would assume she obtained her ILR in 1992 before moving.

    The family moved back in 1998, but she remained in Singapore - so she'd already been out of the country for 6 years.

    She then came to the UK in 2003, so she must have been away at least 11 years, and stayed here until 2005. She's clearly over-stayed several tourist visas.
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  12. Anon04576
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    I didn't realise but in that article is states that even those over the two year limit still have a chance if they prove exceptional personal circumstances. Whilst I don't think lady in question did have (unless she could prove she had no one to look after her parents other than herself) it still offers opportunity to some.

    https://www.gov.uk/returning-resident-visa
  13. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    maybe not so unfair or crazy after all, and there are valuable lessons to be taken from it
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    You're right about not getting all the information, I read about this a while back and she quite simply spent too much time out of the UK.

    Its sad but its her own fault, she has no one else to blame but herself.
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    And whose to say she can't apply for a settlement visa in the proper manner now - like we've all had to - providing she hasn't cooked her own goose with visas?

    She may have just been told she has to go back to Singapore and apply from there. I feel her own family are liberal with facts (particularly in the first article where her sister-in-law states she's lived here 30 years when she quite clearly hasn't)
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    I'm with you on this one, from what I've read in different news articles it appears she was not treated unfairly by the UKVI, it was her who fell foul to the immigration laws.

    We have seen these sort of stories before and there is always more to them than meets the eye, the news articles tend to dwell on the fact that people are being separated from their loved ones and not the fact that they have broken immigration rules which all of us here abide by.
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    About 6 years ago I knew of this really old fella (Brit) that moved his Filipino wife and son to Bohol right out in the back woods.. They had lived in the UK as a married couple for a good few years..I could tell as her accent was almost South east,English..
    I don`t think she wanted to leave the UK but spent 3 years looking after the frail old fella on his measly pension..Most of his money went on sending the boy to Private education..(Thats how I met him whilst picking up the kids)..
    Things went from bad to worse and she managed to raise enough cash for 3 single tickets back to the UK..Her passport had expired so she got a new one and went to the Brit embassy to transfer her ILR stamp to it..
    No chance!! She had overstayed..
    The old man (he was probably in his 80`s) and the young boy returned to UK alone to go on the homeless list..
    Never found out if she managed to join them after an appeal..
    Hope so..If not,very sad.
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  18. graham59
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    It is sad, but people know the rules (or should at least attempt to familiarise themselves with them).

    They are adults and need to take responsibility for their actions... otherwise society and the world would be chaotic.
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    Society and the world is chaotic :) for large parts of the planet rules are only given token acknowledgment :)
  20. Drunken Max
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    Or are buyable
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