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General Election - June 8th

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Maharg, Apr 18, 2017.

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  1. Bluebird71
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    It's the economy - stupid.

    Debt is rising, growth is being stifled. These issues are not going away, but they're not being sufficiently addressed either. Our economy sits on a grassy hill that hasn't experienced rain for sometime. One discarded cigarette and it goes up in smoke.

    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/334/uk-economy/uk-national-debt/
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    I agree, and I don't see anything changing in the near future, as soon as any Government suggests a tax rise in any form there is an outcry from MPs and the public alike.

    Personal debt is at a all time high, I don't know how some people sleep at night, over the last 20 years or so we have all been encouraged to borrow and spend more, thankfully it is a bandwagon I have never jumped on.

    As you say, if the economy takes a tumble because of Brexit or any other reason then a lot of families will be in a bad position.

    I was always lectured by my parents to save for a rainy day and that is exactly what I have done throughout my life.
  3. Markham
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    The London Mayor certainly doesn't agree with you. There was a St George's Day procession in Nottingham today (yes, I know Nottingham isn't London; bear with me ...)

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    In London Mayor Sadiq Khan led celebrations and hosted a party in honour of England's patron saint. Her told reporters that he was proud to be flying St George's Cross above London's City Hall and said other leaders in England shouldn't be embarrassed about being patriotic. "If I am honest when I was young I didn't naturally see the St George's flag as my own because when I was growing up we had the National Front and the British National Party and they sort of appropriated the flag. But what was great was the 1996 Euros – football coming home – where we had this great football festival where we re-appropriated the St George’s flag and it was the first time I ever really felt comfortable with it. Since then we have seen more and more decent English men and women proudly displaying it."
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  4. PorkAdobo
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    I think that person may have defected to UKIP.
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  5. PorkAdobo
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    Galloway is standing in my constituency of Manchester Gorton.

    Previously, out MP was Gerald Kaufman. A Jewish guy elected on the strength of the Muslim vote. Quite nice, really.

    Shock! Horror! But our 80+ year old MP unexpectedly died earlier this year so a by-election was scheduled for 4th May. Being the typical stirrer that he is, this brought George Galloway over to my part of town ranting about war criminal Blair and other niche Muslim issues. The PM has then put a spanner in the works by announcing the general election (and thus cancelling the planned by-election), so it seems Galloway is going to be stuck campaigning in Manchester Gorton rather than finding a seat where he would have been more competitive, though I suspect he will still poll a good number of votes.

    Personally, I cannot bring myself to vote Tory. I think Brexit (which is inevitable, now) will be detrimental to the country. By the time the penny has dropped, most of those who voted Brexit will be dead or dribbling wrecks in a retirement home. I think it's a terrible legacy to leave the next generation. Nevermind. I genuinely hope I'm proved wrong. Labour was woeful during the Brexit campaign, so the only box left on the ballot paper is Lib Dem. It's a shame SNP do not field candidates in England.
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  6. Bluebird71
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    Does she post here?
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  9. Markham
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    Gisella Allen (whoever she is) is probably not a man!
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  11. Bluebird71
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    Oops, will fix later.
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  13. Aromulus
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    I am tired already..........

    Certainly Corbin had a bit of a car crash interview yesterday.
  14. Markham
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    As Dominic Lawson (son of Nigel Lawson, the former Tory Chancellor) wrote in his column this week:

    "Within minutes of walking into 10 Downing Street, a new Prime Minister is asked to write letters to the commanders of our four Vanguard-class submarines, carrying a total of 64 Trident nuclear missiles.

    These letters are to be opened in the event of the UK itself coming under nuclear attack, and assuming there is no other way for contact to be made between them and the head of government.

    So, Jeremy Corbyn was asked by the BBC’s Andrew Marr yesterday, what would you put in those letters if you became PM? Eschewing the only sensible response (‘It’s secret, Andrew’) this is what the Labour leader replied: ‘I want to achieve a nuclear-free world.’

    If it were not such a serious topic — there is none more serious — I would have laughed. Imagine the faces of those naval commanders as they opened their letters to read their Prime Minister’s orders, only to discover they contained nothing more than a pious wish.

    Marr tried again, pointing out that these men would require an actual instruction, upon which they could act. What would it say?

    At this point one could almost see some thoughts crossing Corbyn’s mind (not a long journey). ‘Obey your orders,’ snapped the Labour leader, with a satisfied smile that suggested he had just found the answer to a tricky crossword puzzle.

    So their order will be to obey their orders. Brilliant: but they haven’t got any, cut off from all contact, unless you have already put them in writing.

    This illustrates the biggest problem with taking Corbyn seriously as a putative Prime Minister.

    It’s not so much that his policies are ill thought out — some of them might be rather popular. It’s that he isn’t willing to engage in rigorous thought at all, either out of laziness or inability.

    This manifests itself in an almost pathological indecisiveness: as our nuclear submarine commanders might discover, if ever Mr Corbyn became their boss. But if he does, we might all wish to be submerged offshore."
    They walk among us.
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  15. Timmers
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    There is little or no coherence in the Labour party, a lot of time is spent by the media trying to clarify exactly where Labour stand on the all important issues. Its almost like no one has spoken to each other in the Labour party since the election was called and Labour MPs just give their own opinion to the media not that of a united party.
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    According to Guido, Emily Thornberry (otherwise known as Lady Nugee) was on LBC over the weekend talking about the impact of VAT on people on middle incomes. An important issue, though it was illustrated by Thornberry with a rather odd example. "Things like VAT are things that people on average incomes are hardest hit – we all have to buy milk", she said.

    Milk is zero-rated. No one pays VAT on milk.

    They walk among us.
  17. Aromulus
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    The mother of idiot is constantly pregnant......
  18. Bluebird71
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    UKIP starting to sound more extreme every day, it must be difficult for them when a larger party has assumed their identity.
  19. Bluebird71
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    With all due respect, most nuclear powers would obliterate the U.K. and it's arsenal of weapons is hardly what is keeping the Russians at bay.

    Does a small country like ours really need nukes? Look at all the countries that don't have nukes - are they constantly being nuked and/or invaded?
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i was amused recently when i read somewhere which countries have submarines---what for ?
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