1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Brexit talks have begun

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by aposhark, Jun 20, 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Methersgate
    Offline

    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    That's the current Labour and Tory leadership out of the picture. But a majority of MPs in both parties are Remainers, some defied the Whip but most obeyed the Whip out of the need to survive; once they change the leadership, the hand on the Whip changes too.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. Methersgate
    Offline

    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Methersgate
    Offline

    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    The Tories are a party much like the world economy after 2008; they are a zombie party, being propped up simply because if they collapse there is nothing to fill the void.

    To continue the analogy, the Tories have swallowed up UKIP just as Lloyds swallowed up Halifax Bank of Scotland - they always thought they wanted it, they thought it would give them access to wonderful new markets, espescially amongst Northeastern C1s, but it has actually turned out to be rotten at the core, and it has poisoned them.
    • Like Like x 1
  4. Bluebird71
    Offline

    Bluebird71 Well-Known Member

    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. CampelloChris
    Offline

    CampelloChris Well-Known Member

    That's probably the most optimistic, and best outcome possible for the country. Nothing else seems possible, given the lemming-like headlong rush for the precipice we have embarked upon.

    Think about this first before you complain about my 'lemming' reference.

    Even now (Survation survey of June 17th) 43% of people would refuse a second referendum to review the terms of Brexit before pushing the button.

    That's an incredible amount of trust to put into our negotiating team. Reminds me of something......

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  6. walesrob
    Offline

    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. KeithAngel
    Offline

    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    The pound tanking is effectively a 12% cut in wages to seasonal workers
    • Agree Agree x 2
  8. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    Our Prime Minister has told her fellow heads of state exactly that at their meeting yesterday. Of course it is conditional on the EU27 guaranteeing identical rights for British expats. Mrs May has always been of that opinion and has expressed it a number of times in the nine months since she became Prime Minister.
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  9. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    Complete and absolute rubbish. Mrs May met with fire-fighters and volunteer workers and did so in private. She is not a "touchy-feely" person and did not want to intrude on the grief of so many; she judged that her time would be better spent back at the office, chairing COBRA meetings and talking steps to ensure that those displaced were being properly taken care of. Mrs May made two further visits and did meet with victims the following day. Jeremy Corbyn's visit was also in private and choreographed by his minders. Andrea Leadsom spent a very public couple of hours. The council's response couldn't have been worse which accounts for the government's demand that its chief executive resign. The Tory leader should also resign.

    Amazing how a newspaper published in the acknowledged ruling state of that great bastion of democracy is seeking to rewrite history. If it was simply "a few fanatics" in the Conservative Party - with the emphasis on the word "few" - then how come those "few" accounted for 52% of the vote?
    Let's not forget that the EU only permits democracy on its terms, when it can control the outcome as we witnessed with the referendums in France, Denmark and Ireland - it didn't like the democratic decisions taken by the electorates and made them vote again. Our referendum was not one Berlin or Brussels could control, hence the increased bitterness.

    Really? More lies! In fact, UK manufacturers’ order books are at their highest level since August 1988. A CBI survey of 464 firms found a "broad-based improvement" in 13 out of 17 manufacturing sub-sectors, with food, drink and tobacco and chemicals leading the British-made boom. Meanwhile, export orders rocketed to a 22-year high. It is no coincidence that the party of government in 1988 is the same party of government today: business likes Conservative governments.

    Significantly this article's authors make no mention at all of the UK's pro-EU parties - the Lib Dems, SNP and the Green - all of whose vote share in the general election is down compared to 2015.
    • Funny Funny x 3
  10. KeithAngel
    Offline

    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    That won't fly without the protection of the ECJ the UK Government has broken the law both in spirit and fact and moved the goalposts to many times to be trusted by anyone under Ms Mays watch in the H.O.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  11. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    About as bad value as £250k to elect an MP who loses her seat after six months!

    Fake news!
  12. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    Ah yes, despite the party's name, the Lib Dems aren't big on democracy. Prior to Nick Clegg becoming leader, the Lib Dems were a fairly sensible centrist party and very good a running local councils: they knew how to light the streets, empty the bins and run the schools and they did so efficiently. However the party's downfall started with its thirst for power and it sold its soul - and its student voters - to become partners in government. It betrayed its own supporters over tuition fees and its completely lacklustre attempt to change the voting system and so its supporters refused to back the party in 2015. Since then, its has steadily become the most illiberal and anti-democratic party even more so than Corbyn and McDonnell's Marxist Labour Party - the party that believes in seizing power by overthrowing the elected government. Your coup de grace is the shabby and shoddy way you treated your leader - a man who increased your party's MP roster by one half after his predecessor annihilated the party's presence in the Commons. You have shown yourselves to be the party of bigotry and intolerance; little wonder that Jo Swinson - who would have made a very good leader - pulled out of the leadership race right at the outset. How apposite that you will be almost certainly be led by Vince Cable: that's two parties of the left led by grumpy geriatrics (to borrow Oss' nomenclature).

    The above is rather familiar to me. It should be, for I wrote warning of almost exactly those predictions back in April! Plagiarist!:p
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. Methersgate
    Offline

    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

  14. Methersgate
    Offline

    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    • Agree Agree x 3
  15. CampelloChris
    Offline

    CampelloChris Well-Known Member

    I have no confidence that the Conservative Party will last in government long enough to see Brexit to its proposed conclusion date, nor to execute the task with any degree of competence.

    I have even less confidence in the Labour Party, led by a closet Marxist, whose knee-jerk reaction is to side with the minority.

    The centre-ground of British politics is a vacuum. Both major political parties have deserted it, and been taken over by the hard-liners with no competent politicians prepared to step out of line for fear of being deselected. This has had the effect on the electorate of polarising traditional centre-ground voters away from the more tolerant and reasonable sides to their respective natures. Looking in from the outside, Britain appears to have become vicious and feral.

    Britain desperately needs someone to step forward and take up the challenge. The prospect of a Corbyn-led Labour government, populated with such buffoons as Diane Abbott and John McDonnell is too awful to contemplate, while Theresa May's pi.ss-poor impersonation of Margaret Thatcher is wearing very, very thin. At her best (or her worst) Thatcher never gave the impression of being incompetent or wavering. At her best (or her worst) Theresa May never gives the impression of competence, or knowing in which direction she wishes the country to go. The simple fact that she began campaigning to Remain, then changed her mind once the hot seat was up for grabs should tell you all you need to know about her.

    We have two years to find someone.
    • Winner Winner x 1
  16. Methersgate
    Offline

    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Exactly.

    May, Johnson, Gove, Davis, Fox... Corbyn, MacDonnell, Abbott...

    ... these are all the monsters produced by the Sleep of Reason - second rate minds, third rate characters, no vision, no plan, little thought beyond opportunism... listening to any one of them brings on an urge to go and scrub oneself with carbolic soap, to get the slime off.

    [​IMG] .
  17. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    Clegg, Cable, Davey ...
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. CampelloChris
    Offline

    CampelloChris Well-Known Member

    When I look back, there were giants on both sides of the house. Sadly, all we have left are soundbiters and sychophants, and politics has become the last refuge of the scoundrel. Altruism, honour and a sense of responsibility and duty are dead, buried and long forgot in modern Britain.

    A Point To Ponder
    Since the expenses scandal of 2009, MPs expense claims have risen by 43% (as of 2016)

    Pigs in the trough.
    • Agree Agree x 3
  19. Dave_E
    Offline

    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Sadly you are no longer allowed to do that.

    Intrusive EU regulations control the use of coal tar related products (such as the phenols used in carbolic soaps), unless they are in prescribed medications.

    :mad:
    • Like Like x 1
  20. KeithAngel
    Offline

    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I think you will find Jeremy's expenses are the lowest of them all
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page