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Is My Child Entitled to a British Passport?

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by Tim1505, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. Tim1505
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    Hi All,

    I’m Tim, born and raised in the UK.

    While working in the Philippines some years back, I met a woman (Maricel) whom was married, but had been separated from her husband for many years. We pursued a relationship, she eventually got pregnant with my son, whom is now 3 Years old.

    Maricel’s annulment is finally complete, we are now in process in reverting her name back to her maiden name, we will then file for a certificate of no Marriage, then we’ll get married.

    I want to bring Maricel and my Son to the UK to live, but I’m a little bit concerned about getting my son a British passport.

    As I understand, because Maricel was married to another man at the time of conceiving my child, my child rightfully belongs to that other man. Am I wrong about this?

    I have found this and am shocked:

    For children born after 1 July 2006 where the mother was married (according to UK law) at the time of the child’s birth, the mother’s husband is deemed to be the father of the child for nationality purposes.

    Can someone please confirm if my child is entitled to a British passport?
  2. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    If you run a check here: https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citizen it seems that the child is not a British Citizen at the moment, but will become one if you marry.

    When you’re not a British citizen
    You won’t be a British citizen ‘by descent’ through your father if all the following apply:

    • you were born before 1 July 2006
    • your parents weren’t married when you were born and haven’t married since
    • the country your father considered his permanent home when you were born distinguished between children of married and unmarried parents - check with the country
  3. graham59
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    If it can be proven that you are the child's biological father (in those circs... DNA test maybe the best, and possibly asked for), then yes, of course your boy is entitled to claim British Citizenship, and a British Passport, whether parents were/are married or not. :like:

    It may take up to a year to process the passport though. :rolleyes:

    Going through the process for my 2 year-old boy at the moment. I went for an interview with the Passport Office people last week, in Birmingham.
  4. graham59
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    Incidentally.... if you have the income to bring your boy to UK on a dependent (of your spouse) visa, with his Filipino passport, you could then sort out the British one once here. :)

    Start gathering his hospital birth records, lots and lots of photos... especially with you all together, etc, over as long a period of time as possible, for the purposes of 'establishing proof of relationship'. Add to that... copies of the stamps in your passport proving that you were in the Philippines at the time of conception... plus photos from that period.

    If you have 500 quid to spare... get yourselves DNA tested, post haste, but check WHERE the (Passport Office) approved venue is for this, in Manila.
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  5. oss
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    I'm not back, I will re-ban myself shortly, but I must make a point Graham, any DNA test has to be from an approved laboratory and there are very few of those in Manila, unless the rules have changed this chap needs a three way test performed on the man the child and the mother and recorded by an approved forensic laboratory, our embassy listed several hospitals in Manila that they said they would trust and none of them were actually able to offer us a test.

    I found that one of the labs on the UP Diliman University campus was approved for forensic lab DNA tests, they videoed and photographed every stage of our test and provided a comprehensive report multiple copies for a fee of, at the time about 800 to 1000 pounds this was in 2008.

    Regards all of your other points you are absolutely correct.
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  6. oss
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    Graham, the second bullet point is not correct, an illegitimate child is British if born to a British father who is not a citizen by descent, that point is probably made in a specific context outside of the current rules for children born after 1st of July 2006, I am not married to Ana and my daughter is British and is the holder of (an albeit expired) British Passport, she is British.
  7. graham59
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    Erm, that is exactly the point I was making about the DNA test. :like: (And DNA tests have become cheaper since 2008). Lots of things have changed since then. I am going through the process NOW.
  8. deanobeano
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    I was never asked for dna tests when applying for my stepson cerificate of entitlement right to abode,i just supplied all his hospital notes and photos of wife when pregant with real father before met me,also showed birth cert with real father name on as they was never married,just took 2 days to get it,not sure how long now as things have changed.
  9. Tim1505
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    Hi All,

    Thank you for the responses so far.

    I do not really want to wait 1 year plus for my child to get a passport unless I must.

    I can try to bring them both here in the UK as a sponsor under a visit visa which I believe is valid for 6 months. Do I just bring him here and take him to immigration in London? Do I need a solicitor once he is here? I would like a clear path of what I need to do.

    Once in London under a visit visa and we obtain the DNA results that prove he’s my son does that mean he’s been approved as a British citizen?

    I'm going to make some calls to immigration now.
  10. Maharg
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    It may well be, although that was posted direct from the gov.UK website. I see, now, though, that all 3 criteria need to apply.
  11. Markham
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    Your son can not claim British Citizenship by inheritance - and thereby a British Passport - since his mother was married to another at the time of his conception and birth. The UK Government web site has a page devoted to detailing the circumstances under which those born in the Philippines can apply for a British Passport: that page includes the wording contained in the opening post.

    He will automatically be granted British Citizenship once your future wife has completed the necessary FLR and ILR stages and herself becomes a British Citizen.
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  12. oss
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    Yes I realise that, and I see you highlighted the point about checking, I was effectively stressing that you have to be careful relying on the Embassy advice for acceptable approved test centres. DNA test prices were much cheaper even back in 2008, it was the fact that a UK approved test was required that made it expensive, hopefully there are more UK approved test centres in Manila now.

    Also a DNA test has never been an absolute requirement as proof of paternity but it does trump all of the other requirements that are specified by the immigration regulations, at the time we applied I provided all of the supporting documentation, hospital bills and so on as well and they still refused on first attempt to accept our application.
  13. oss
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    I'm fairly certain that wording under and the third paragraph of section 2. is new, I find it surprising and it is at odds with the spirit of the change in UK law on 1st July 2006 but yes it is there is black and white.
  14. Maharg
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    From that website:

    2. Children born after 1 July 2006
    A child born after 1 July 2006 is eligible for a British passport if the father is a British citizen and:

    • at the time of the child’s birth is married to the mother according to UK law or,
    • the father is not married to the mother, but there is proof of paternity and the mother is not married to anyone else
    For children born after 1 July 2006 where the mother was married (according to UK law) at the time of the child’s birth, the mother’s husband is deemed to be the father of the child for nationality purposes.

    If the mother’s husband is not a British citizen or is not settled in the UK (for children born in the UK) the child will not be eligible for a British passport either through the mother’s husband or through the child’s natural father.
  15. Tim1505
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    So instead of helping me, I’m told by you guys that my son is not entitled to a british passport.
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  16. oss
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    The people on this forum don't make the rules, the government makes the rules, I am frankly very surprised at the information that Markham has uncovered but it is on a government website, the people here are just trying to help and to prevent you having to go down the wrong route.

    Additionally Markham included appropriate positive instructions on the correct route to follow.

    Don't blame the messenger.
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  17. Tim1505
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    No problem, just a bit heart broken.
  18. oss
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    My daughter is 9 years old my son is 12 years old neither of them has been to the UK, James can't get a passport because he was born prior to 1st July 2006 and the old rules applied to him and although my daughter has a British passport she has not been here either.

    For various long standing and convoluted reasons their mother is unable to marry me so they are not ever getting out of the Philippines at least not until they are grown up, and for other personal reasons even if I could marry their mother now, I wouldn't.

    I feel your pain and you have my sympathy but there are lots of people in the same boat or at least a very similar boat.
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  19. Markham
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    I actually suspect that whole page is quite new, Jim. I don't remember there being a page specifically aimed at those born in the Philippines when I applied for my sons' Passports at the end of last year.
  20. Tim1505
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    At least I can still marry Maricel, and bring them over on a spouse visa, then after 5 years, they’ll both be entitled.

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