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Planet of the Vapes: why is there a war on e-cigarettes?

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Bootsonground, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. Bootsonground
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    The blonde woman on the panel sums up this topic in a nut shell.. She speaks the truth.
    The Government do not care about the health of smokers..They care about 14 Billion quid in revenue and that`s why e cigs and vape mods will eventually be highly regulated IMO.
    Hope Im wrong because vaping is an easy and pleasurable way to stop smoking..Full stop!

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    Perhaps the wealthy cigarette companies (one of which I used to work for) are financing the 'anti' campaign.

    E-cigs certainly did enable me to give up smoking back in 2014, for which I'm grateful, but it was also where my use of them stopped. I think 'vaping' is something rather different.

    It seems to almost encourage youngsters to start puffing on something stuck in their gob... all over again... and blowing smelly fumes all over their neighbours, about which I can't see anything positive, I'm afraid.
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    to see peep walking round in their own personal mushroom cloud...dont get close to me--i dont want to breathe your mouth fart in.

    why cant they get a baby's dummy--dip it in liquid nicotine--and go round sucking a rubber tit. just as ridiculous.
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    There's already been a culture of doing that - except it wasn't nicotine on the dummy, innit...

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  5. Bootsonground
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    Why not? Is that illegal?
    Could you have them arrested for invading your special place?
    Could I have you arrested for your obnoxious attitude being around me? Ha!
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  6. Bootsonground
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    No..
    Exactly the same thing.
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    my dear Boots--how could anyone have an obnoxious attitude around you ?
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    Where’s that British sarcasm manual? :cool:
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    Vaping is even more disgusting than smoking, smoking stinks but the majority of cigarettes had pretty much the same smell, all these sickening flavours of oil that they smoke turns my stomach and they are breathing out a chemical compound that I certainly don't want to breath in, so yeah I would vote for it being illegal.

    Last cigarette inhaled March 1986, best thing I ever did.
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  10. Bootsonground
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    The stuff they breath in and exhale in ex smokers faces contains"flavoured oil" you say?
    I didn't know that and sounds dangerously and disgustingly the same as tobacco if true.
    Do you have a link to that incredible information?
    Thanks.
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    See that?
    That`s you that is!! lol
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    Long-term vaping 'far safer than smoking' says 'landmark' study


    "Vaping has been endorsed by health experts after the first long-term study of its effects in ex-smokers," ITV News reports.

    E-cigarettes contain nicotine but not many of the harmful substances produced by smoking tobacco, such as tar or carbon monoxide. However, there has been debate about exactly how safe their long-term use is.

    The study, involving 181 smokers or ex-smokers, has been described as "landmark" as it is thought to be the first (or at least one of the first) looking at long-term vaping outcomes in "real world" users. Previous studies of this kind have mainly relied on laboratory equipment, or animal research, to estimate the long-term effects of e-cigarettes.

    The volunteers completed questionnaires and provided breath, saliva and urine samples. The researchers found significantly lower levels of toxic chemicals and cancer-causing substances (carcinogens) in the samples of those of former smokers who had been using e-cigarettes or nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) compared to current smokers.

    Another noted result is that current smokers who may be trying to reduce their risk of harm by switching between e-cigarettes and normal cigarettes may be saving money, but doing little for their health. "Combination users" still had very high levels of toxins and carcinogens

    This study provides evidence that e-cigarettes and NRT can reduce harm to smokers by reducing exposure to toxic chemicals. The evidence would also seem to support Public Health England’s 2015 report that “E-cigarettes are 95% less harmful than tobacco”.

    Where did the story come from?
    The study was carried out by researchers from a number of institutions, including University College London, and the Roswell Park Cancer Institute and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (both in the US). Funding was provided by Cancer Research UK.

    The study was published in the peer-reviewed journal: Annals of Internal Medicine.

    There has been much discussion over the benefits of vaping over conventional smoking methods and this is the first long-term study assessing these effects. In general the findings have been reported accurately in the UK media; however none of the limitations, as described by the researchers themselves, have been mentioned.

    The Daily Mirror included a quote from professor Kevin Fenton, national director of health and wellbeing at Public Health England, who added: "This study provides further evidence that switching to e-cigarettes can significantly reduce harm to smokers, with greatly reduced exposure to carcinogens and toxins."

    What kind of research was this?
    This was a cross-sectional study that drew comparisons on exposure to nicotine and other tobacco-related toxins and carcinogens in the following groups:

    • current cigarette smokers who only smoked cigarettes
    • current cigarette smokers who also used e-cigarettes
    • current cigarette smokers who also use other forms of nicotine replacement therapies (NRT), such as skin patches or gum
    • former smokers who were now using only e-cigarettes
    • former smokers who were now using only NRT
    Limitations to this study design include the possibility of recall bias as participants provide information about their smoking habits through a questionnaire. There is also the possibility of residual confoundingfrom other unmeasured factors so findings may not be entirely accurate.

    What did the research involve?
    The researchers recruited participants from Greater London by placing advertisements in newspapers and online, posters in pharmacies and though marketing companies.

    To be able to join the study participants had to be either:

    • a current smoker, who has smoked an average of five or more cigarettes per day for at least six months
    • a former smoker, who has stopped using tobacco products for at least six months
    Researchers aimed to assess the effects of long-term use of non-combustible nicotine delivery – that is NRT or e-cigarettes – for a minimum of six months. They compared:

    • current smokers of cigarettes only
    • combination smokers – cigarette smokers also using an e-cigarette or NRT
    • former smokers using e-cigarettes-only or NRT-only
    Participants were asked to visit a laboratory after not eating, drinking, or using combustible cigarettes or other nicotine products for an hour before their visit. During the appointment the participants filled in a questionnaire including questions on sociodemographic and smoking characteristics.

    Breath, saliva, and urine samples were taken, which were assessed for levels of nicotine and other carcinogenic or toxic chemicals.

    This included tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs), which are one of the most important carcinogens in tobacco formed from nicotine. They also looked at a class of toxins called volatile organic compounds (VOCs) such as acrylamide and cyanide-releasing acrylonitrile.

    Analyses were adjusted for smoking history, sociodemographic variables, physical health and subjective wellbeing.

    What were the basic results?
    A total of 181 participants were included in the study.

    Significantly lower levels of cancer causing chemicals, TSNAs and VOCs were found in samples from former smokers using e-cigarettes only or NRT only, compared with current smokers. Their levels were lower than both those who smoked cigarettes only, or smokers using either e-cigarette or NRT alongside cigarettes.

    Former smokers using e-cigarettes only had significantly lower levels of the toxic chemical NNAL (a by-product of exposure to TSNAs) than all other groups. This was equivalent to a 97% reduction compared with the levels of cigarette-only users.

    Current smokers of combustible cigarettes only, and current smokers also using NRT or e–cigarettes, had similar levels of the tobacco-related toxins and carcinogens.

    Looking at nicotine, levels in urine samples were broadly similar across groups. There was though some variation in salvia levels, with e-cigarette-only users, and those using NRT while continuing to smoke cigarettes had slightly lower nicotine levels than other groups.

    How did the researchers interpret the results?
    The researchers conclude: "Former smokers with long-term e-cigarette-only or NRT-only use may obtain roughly similar levels of nicotine compared with smokers of combustible cigarettes only, but results varied. Long-term NRT-only and e-cigarette-only use, but not dual use of NRTs or e-cigarettes with combustible cigarettes, is associated with substantially reduced levels of measured carcinogens and toxins relative to smoking only combustible cigarettes".

    Conclusion
    This cross-sectional study aimed to assess whether there are differences in levels of nicotine and toxic chemicals in cigarette smokers, and former or current smokers who are also long-term users of e-cigarettes or NRT.

    E-cigarettes are designed for users to inhale nicotine without most of the harmful effects of smoking. There has been much discussion over the benefits of vaping over conventional smoking methods and this is the first long-term study assessing these effects.

    The main findings are not that surprising – former smokers who have now switched to using e-cigarettes or NRT only have significantly lower levels of toxins than those who continue to smoke regular cigarettes.

    However, the study has limitations.

    • while attempts were made to control for confounders, it is possible that other unmeasured factors are influencing the results
    • this was a self-selected sample and therefore findings may not be generalisable to the whole population of former or current smokers
    • indirect exposure to cigarette smoking could not be accounted for in this research
    • the study is not able to assess the comparative effectiveness of NRT or e-cigarettes as aids to smoking cessation
    The findings of this study do appear to reassure that use of e-cigarettes and nicotine replacement therapy – while continuing to provide nicotine – can reduce exposure to toxic chemicals that can lead to cancer in cigarette smokers.

    However, this is only if you completely stop smoking – using e-cigarettes or NRT while continuing to smoke won’t help.

    Smokers who want to stop smoking can get help from NHS stop smoking services, which can reduce their risk of smoking-related disease and death.

    https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/long-term-vaping-far-safer-than-smoking-says-landmark-study/
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    What do you think they sell in vaping shops :lol:

    Raspberry flavoured, Strawberry flavoured and an endless variety of sickening goo.

    https://www.vapeclub.co.uk/
    https://www.vapingliquid.com/collections/e-liquids

    You only need to sit next to someone doing this stuff in a pub to realise how disgusting it is.

    Do you like magic tree car fresheners?

    It's more sickening than that.

    And the proliferation of flavours is to suck people and young people into yet another unhealthy and addictive habit, nicotine is the addictive and active agent in these liquids.

    These shops are everywhere now.
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  14. KeithAngel
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    Its water vapour not smoke and certainly less problematic than Diesel fumes
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    Nothing beats the fresh smell of diesel fumes on a chilly frosty morning.
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    "is nicotine harmful" looks ar the health effects of nicotine, the perceptions of nicotine that have pervaded public opinion, and the potential benefits (that’s right, benefits) that nicotine may hold.


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    You are probably exposed and ingest that "disgusting" gunk much more then you ever knew until now!! lol
    At least my threads are educationally stimulating!





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    Vegetable Glycerin, also called glycerol, is sometimes added to foods to help thicken them, to control their moisture level or to stabilize them if they contain a mix of water and oil. It's mainly used in processed foods and sweets and is generally regarded as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.


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    Dairy and Protein Foods
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  19. Drunken Max
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    I agreed with you original post but now you are posting nonsense. Not wanting to be forced to breathe in someone else's second hand cloud of smoke or vapour should not be a contentious point. Its about respect.
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    And do you think any of these chemicals remain the same when they are passed over a high temperature element inside one of these e-cigs.

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