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UK HM Passport office not trusting NSO Philippine Marriage Certificate

Discussion in 'Rant and Rave' started by one world, Mar 6, 2019.

  1. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    Got our kids BCs whilst there.

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  2. one world
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    one world Active Member Trusted Member

    PSA instead of NSO stamped certification is not the issue. IF the marriage certificates was PSA stamped, the passport office would still insist on CENOMAR as they distrust Philippine documentation.
    By insisting on newly requested CENOMAR is the only way they can have assurance that marriage is legitimate. Despite the passport application requiring my wife british residence permit needing to be declared, so by default a check of marriage being legitimate should have been previously proven by the home office. However, passport office still insist on CENOMAR as it is written down as a requirement?
    I've commented to the passport office on the CENOMAR requirement not being stated in their list of required documents.

    I have a message from them that they will be in contact to explain this requirement....

    Has anyone recently managed to easily get a 1st passport for their UK born child whilst the mother is not yet a british citizen, while the father is british born citizen?
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  3. oss
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    How can they expect you to get a Certificate of no Marriage when you are already married?

    My brain is doing whirligigs getting my head round that one.
  4. one world
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    That's what I thought too....however, i've since discovered a CENOMAR becomes a CRS Form No.5 when recorded marriage is determined. It is this, what the passport office are seeking.

    What's annoying is that the info document for passport applications states marriage certificate, just that the passport office has different opinion than the home office immigration.
  5. one world
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    To clarify further, the response to CENOMAR request, the issued CRS Form No.5 should confirm that marriage has actually taken place, where and when. This then should confirm the entries on the actual official marriage certificate and permit the processing of 1st passport application.
  6. graham59
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    As I mentioned previously, the CRS 5 form has been required for a couple of years or more now.

    I'm trying to understand why you're making such a fuss about it . Perhaps read the 'requirements' on the Passport Office website more carefully next time ?
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  7. Anon04576
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  8. one world
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    Today received CSR Form No.5 using online PSRSerbilis.

    Contrary to the web site stating the a request could take up to 12 weeks to receive and suggest the option of using courier service, it has actually taken only 17days to receive.:)

    So hopefully the passport office will no longer delay my son's passport application any further?

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  9. Anon04576
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    Good stuff and a quick turnaround.
  10. Daveg
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    It is a Philippine Government requirement that any passport issued to a Child born to a Filipino mother (in the uk in my case) requires a CENOMAR FORM 5.

    I understand it is to identify if the mother has been previously married and to cut a long story short the individual from the previous marriage under Filipino law is deemed the ‘legal’ father!!

    I assume it relates in some way to future claims on estates who knows the workings of the government,

    We ordered one on line and had it couriered to the UK taking around seven days - it’s the new PSO logo.

    You will then find that the UK passport office require to check this document back to the PSO in Quezon so a further delay of up to five weeks
  11. Daveg
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    In reply to all the issues regarding CENOMAR’s - I spoke directly to the passport office in Liverpool again this morning to query a delay in issuing and again they confirmed it is a Phil Gov requirement that requires evidence of the CENOMAR Form 5 for ANY Child born to a Filipino mother ... I stayed in an earlier post I understand it relates to potential previous marriages (undisolved) and the responsibility of previous husband towards any children born to a different father ie the child under Phil law is classed as his not yours!!

    The passport office WILL contact the PSO to confirm validity of the CENOMAR and inform them of the passport application - this will take anywhere up to 5 weeks.... I await PSO actioning their inbox efficiently,
  12. one world
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    I can't see how another country (philippines) can impose requirements for granting UK citizenship?

    Each time i've contacted HMPO, i've never been convinced that the person I spoke with really knew the requirements.

    I find it annoying that the check they have to make regarding Form No.5 is the same authority that issued original marriage certificate, so needing form no.5 is just usual bureaucracy causing delays.
  13. Bootsonground
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    In the Philippines..Follow requirements or you get F@@k all.
    It`s up to you mate!
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  14. one world
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    The reason for past certification not being accepted, is that the PSA has informed all embassies that the security paper colour that the certificates are printed on has been changed to overcome the circulation of forgeries. It is at the discretion of other countries that they may wish to check the certification validity, hence the requirement by HMPO. Hence no choice.....

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    Today my 1yr old UK born son received his 1st British Passport, having had to additionally provide a recent Philippine PSA CENOMAR (CSR No.5) response proving Philippine marriage (marriage certificate wasn't accepted).

    I've no idea if the CENOMAR (CSR No.5) would still be required had my wife obtained UK citizenship?
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