UK to end freedom of movement for EU citizens on day one of Brexit, under new government plan

What should ring bells is the imminent reunification of the Island of Ireland the USA Congress certainly thinks so

It would be a PR disaster if one of the sides suggested this would happen. When/If reality strikes (unless de Pfeffel Johnson finds a solution in 30 days that nobody else has managed in 3 years) there will not be much choice otherwise the EU’s customs union goes up in smoke and chlorine washed chickens can find their way to Denmark.

When it comes to the blame game, the fact is that Britain has started this whole fiasco without recognising or finding solutions to issues everyone knew existed before we invoked Art 50.

True.

However, we have to face political realities.

Anti Trump supporters have to deal with Trump as he is the democratically elected leader of the USA. The other reality is that if the UK gets a beneficial trade deal with the USA , we have to recognise the opinions of the pro Ireland lobby in the US Congress.

What is it with you and chlorine-washed chicken, eh?! Would you prefer to be really ill with E-Coli, Salmonella or Campylobacter? Do you only drink water from known pure sources such as Evian from the Pyrenees? Unless you do, then every drop that passes your lips will have quite recently been dosed with Chlorine gas. And when you and Miss R do have a baby, its bottles and teats will be probably be soaked in a sterilising solution, eg Miltons, which contains sodium hypochlorite and common salt - two sources of Chlorine there!! Not forgetting that you should always rinse chicken under a running cold tap immediately before cooking, regardless of where it's come from.

Chlorine washed chickens sounds goods. The fear is not so much the chlorine, but the sub-optimal processes earlier in the farming chain. Unscrupulous farmers can use shoddy practices knowing that the chlorine wash will get them out of jail. EU farming standards are such that chlorine washing is not required (and banned).

We can replace chickens with North Korean fireworks or Chinese hoverboards. If we differentiate ourselves to the EU. we have to accept that they will want their own checks and balances (and vice versa) for products entering the Single Market.

Not sanctions per se, but getting a trade deal becomes a distant dream. And that has become the whole raison d'etre of Brexit.

As for bullying, some of the British rhetoric in relation to Ireland has not fallen far short of bullying.

Office for National Statistics Today

• In mid-2018, the population of the UK reached an estimated 66.4 million.
  
  
• The UK population’s growth rate in mid-2017 and mid-2018, at 0.6%, was slower than any year since mid-2004.
  
  
• Long-term international migration to and from the UK has remained broadly stable since the end of 2016 and has also continued to be the main driver of the UK’s population growth.
  
  
• In 50 years’ time, there is projected to be an additional 8.2 million people aged 65 years and over in the UK – a population roughly the size of present-day London.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/august2019

I’m bored of these traitors selling out their country. Let’s Remain instead.

On a brighter note

"Sub-optimal processes"?!?! Plenty of them in UK farming, or so I'm told.

Twenty-three years ago BSE crossed the species barrier and started infecting humans which swiftly led to a EU ban on British beef. That ban was lifted ten years later and yet almost no British beef will be found in EU supermarkets or restaurants to this day. Plenty of USDA, Argentine and Brazilian beef though.

More importantly, why would we even import chicken from the US? As a country we produce far more than we need for our own consumption and chicken is a major export earning us hundreds of millions of Dollars a year. If the Yanks buy our beef then we'll buy their chicken; how's that?

"Chlorine-washed chicken" is a just another dog whistle used by Remainers.

Not falling for that one its a sub-optimal source

Umm its called Capitalism and its what led to sheep residues being ground up and fed to Cattle (Money money money)
and will lead in your version to Cheap Chicken fowling the market

Irish government doesn't have a choice on the border. They are part of single market which requires a border.

Smuggling over the border has been a problem in the past and would be in the future. Border has resulted in number of anomalies in that in the past northern northern petrol stations took heavy hits on business as people cross the border to fill up in the south where petrol was cheaper. Singapore checks petrol levels for vehicles crossings it's border so these issues are real.

Key issue for remainders is the economy and future jobs. No doubt about it that without deals then we will be at economic disadvantage as other countries impose tariffs and restrictions on us. Future jobs and investments will go to countries with trade deals and within the single market as cheaper and easier to sell there and I f we are mainly dependent on imports then they face the same competition from other importers. If no tariffs here on imports but tariffs on exports then no brained to build manufacturing facilities else where. I would not expect any company finance directors to be proposing building any plant here unless driven by UK market only.

Secondary issue is the ability to work and live without visas. Restricts future career opportunities for younger generation and also ability to move to European countries either to live or retire. Larger number of Brits living abroad who may be forced back and additional costs of their healthcare if we have to pay for it. Actually cheaper to pay for them to be treated abroad.

Lack of skilled people as UK becomes less attractive destination. in health sector need to be aware of proportion of staff that are from EU who may well be planning on leaving and harder to get replacement.

Whilst BREXIT could be minimised in terms of damage to country the current clowns on charge are determined to do maximum damage. The incompetence in the current government is staggering. Lemmings led by lemmings.

Extraction from EU minimising damage was always going to take time and involve complex trade offs but could potentially have been done. May's red lines, followed by Borris's determination regardless of damage to country has meant this is impossible.

I fully expect that there will be a much greater chance of breakup of UK with potential United Ireland and Scottish independence. If the referendum on indeprnce was being run now I suspect BREXIT would have tipped it the other way. DUP are the biggest idiots going in advancing the United Ireland clause in supporting the current government as there is a significant majority in NI who will vote on what is best for them economically and a hard BREXIT is not it.

US trade deal isn't coming without sorting out the Ireland problem. Democrats in Congress have already said they will block. Canada hasn't rolled over trade deal as they can see advantages in not having it in place. If I was an international negotiator would not sign up to any trade deals with UK and if no tariffs as had been proposed then would be no incentive to do it.

To do this properly you need a plan, agreed and backed by significant majority and flexibility in execution. None of which has been demonstrated.

If this was a project and managed as a project it would have been terminated already or sent back to the drawing board for a fundamental rethink and plan from scratch with properly thought out objectives.

As a dual national with second EU passport I don't see any losses in terms of EU membership. Will still be able to do anything I want in Europe although currently tied to UK. Unfortunately lose out when the economy tanks as can be seen in current exchange rates which reflects what the world thinks. Only way to try to be competitive in future is to lower real wages which internationally can be done be reducing exchange rate. Downside is everything imported gets more expensive.

Lovely project management saying:

Fail to plan, plan to fail

Think that suns up where we are. If it happens on 31 Oct then expect we will be forced to take May's deal if it is still available although opportunity for EU to reduce any favourable elements. Otherwise expect EU will recover their payments in tariffs on our exports and benefits from switching of suppliers from UK to EU suppliers.

If only remain had backed May's deal now you got some one that is fine leaving without one

Only thing that was good about May was her potential successors were going to be worse.

Yes just think how bad it could be if Corbyn gets in

Every time I think of catweazle I think of dopey Dianne as well

Perfect analises xenaphobic lemmings in abundance