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Baby leaving Philippines on a British passport

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by Ian martin, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. Ian martin
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    Can a baby born in Philippines to a Filipina mother leave the country if he only has a British passport?
    Of course there is no entry stamp.
    If the baby also gets a Philippines passport, then he will need to show proof of return flight, pay the nominal travellers' tax etc, I guess, maybe other hurdles
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  3. Br28016
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    Get philipines passport, leave and show both.

    If he is going to UK then no return ticket required with British passport.

    Travellers tax not required under two years old.
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  4. Mattecube
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    The only important thing is to enter and exit a country with the same passport and to obviously show in your home countries your home country passport. The immigration officer do not care how many passports do you carry, they only care that the passport you are showing to him are valid for entry / exit.
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  6. Druk1
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    Yes 100% my sister collected her grand-daughter last year from Cebu,the child was a year old,only showed the british birth cert leaving mactan,no questions were asked,people were more interested in telling her how cute the baby was.
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  8. Br28016
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    British or philippines birth certificate ? If British birth certificate and entry and exit on British passport then potentially different rules as would potentially imply UK baby not dual national so outside scope of philipines immigration rules. If your sister was mother of mother then if I remember correctly she would have parental responsibility if anything happened to the child's mother so again a different scenario.

    Original poster implies born in philippines to filipino mother and not entered from outside philipines so should definitely fall to category of philippines citizen and subject to requirement for DSWD clearance.

    If not married and not mother and no evidence of parental responsibility or authority to take the child out of the country then should be stopped as that would fall into the category of potential child abduction as philippines law is clear on parental responsibility chain. Child born in philippines to filipino mother is a filipino regardless of whether traveling on British or philippines passport and subject to philipines rules and law.

    Whether rules are enforced is a different matter but may come down to immigration official on the day so really a decision to be made on whether you think you will get lucky or not on the day. Guidance seems clear on requirement. If unmarried I would get DSWD clearance but everyone has to make own decision on these things.
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  9. Druk1
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    Philippine birth certificate british passport.
  10. Ian martin
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    Yes I am the official father on the Filipino birth certificate but unmarried. Baby has my first and surname.

    But to keep to the Filipino law, I will get the DSWD travel clearance (300p) and Filipino passport (as advised here). I will also bring his Filipino birth certificate and a letter from the mother (maybe for British immigration too).

    I will maybe make preparations just in case the immigration officer requires a return ticket back to Philippines too.
    I will probably marry mother when I'm there too and become the legal father, so he will no longer be "illegitimate", but not sure yet if I will have enough time to get all the paperwork.
    Mother agreed to all this wholeheartedly of course.
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  11. Br28016
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    When we got children's philipines passports in philipines it was allowed to turn up and use the priority queue so no need for appointments and then about two weeks for the passports but worth kick starting that process as much in advance as possible. Mother can and probably has to do that one.

    Link may be useful.

    https://psa.gov.ph/civilregistration/legitimation

    Think this detail you want. Based on different problem correcting birth certificate but I suspect similar process it takes ages as in months to get birth certificate corrected and recorded at PSA and being able to get PSA birth certificate with the subsequent correction.


    From the link above:

    What is the legitimation and who can be legitimated?

    1. Legitimation is a remedy by means of which those who in fact were not born in wedlock and should, therefore, be considered illegitimate, are, by fiction, considered legitimate, it being supposed that they were born when their parents were already validly married. (1 Manresa 550, as cited on p. 251, Handbook on Family Code of the Philippines, Alicia V. Sempio-Diy).
    2. Only children conceived and born outside of wedlock of parents who at the time of the conception of the former, were not disqualified by any impediments to marry each other, may be legitimated. (Art. 177, Family Code)
    3. Legitimation of children by subsequent marriage of parents shall be recorded in the civil registry office of the place where the birth was recorded. The requirements for registration of legitimation of illegitimate children are:
    a) Certificate of Marriage;

    b) Certificate of Live Birth of the child;

    c) Acknowledgement (not required for illegitimate children born on or after 3 August 1988);

    d) Affidavit of legitimation executed by both parents which shall contain the following facts:

    (1) the names of the parents;

    (2) that at the time when child was conceived, the aforesaid parents could have contracted marriage, and that they subsequently contracted marriage,

    (3) the date and place when such marriage was solemnized;

    (4) the name of the officer who officiated the marriage;

    (5) the city or municipality where such marriage was recorded;

    (6) the name of the child to be legitimated, and the other facts of birth;

    (7) the date and place where the birth of the child was registered; and

    (8) the manner by which the child was acknowledged by the parents which may be in the child’s record of birth, in a will, a statement before a court of record, or in any authentic writing (not required for illegitimate children born on or after 3 August 1988).

    1. For a child to be considered legitimated by subsequent marriage, it is necessary that:
    • the parents could have legally contracted marriage at the time the child was conceived ;
    • that the child has been acknowledged by the parents before or after the celebration of their marriage ; and
    • the acknowledgement has been made with the consent of the child, if age or with the approval of the court, if a minor, unless it has been made in the certificate before a court of record, or in any authentic writing.
    The original family name of the child as appearing in Registrar of Births shall not be erased or deleted, but in the remarks space shall be written "Legitimated by Subsequent Marriage" indicating the family name which the child shall bear by virtue of the legitimation also giving reference to the entry number in the Registrar of Legal Instruments.

    When the interested party requests a copy of the birth certificate of a legitimated child a certified copy of the certificate of Live Birth bearing the annotation "Legitimated by Subsequent Marriage on ________ (date of marriage) at __________ (place of marriage)" or a certified transcription using standard form from the Register of Births bearing the effects of legitimation and the same annotation indicated in the certified true copy shall be issued. (Rule 66, A.O. No. 1 S. 1993)

    How does legitimation take place?

    Legitimation shall take place by a subsequent valid marriage between parents. The annulment of a voidable marriage shall not affect the legitimation (Art. 178, Family Code of the Philippines).
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  12. Ian martin
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    Another way of leaving Philippines with a Filipino born UK baby and the easiest, is if you are accompanied by the mother to a nearby country, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong (a bit scary there at the moment though) in order to pass Filipino immigration.

    The mother will have to pay travellers' tax of course and needs a return ticket (in baby's name too) . The baby would still need a Filipino passport but not the DSWD clearance.

    But this is the easiest and quickest way to leave Philippines with UK baby, for me.
    But we will probably apply for the DSWD clearance and not use this method
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    That is exactly what my Mrs and I did in June this year. She wanted to take our Phils born youngster with us this time... for my 'Balikbayan run' to Hong Kong.
    He does have a British passport, but we used his Filipino one for the entire journey.. no probs whatsoever. :like:

    We did take along his birth cert (as well as our marriage cert for the Balikbayan stamp upon our return), but not asked for anyway.
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    On the plane (Cebu Pacific, from Clark) :
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    IMG_20190625_055452.jpg
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  15. Br28016
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    DSWD only required if leaving without mother and only mother has parental responsibility.

    Went with stepsons mother and stepson to Singapore before we were married with no issues from Manila. Mother had all three passports and I was carrying stepson so didn't actually talk to immigration officer so not sure what questions were asked but went through without much questions.
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    Our UK child passport application has finally been approved. It all took 2 months. On the application form I wrote in BIG LETTERS, "send everything back to UK address including new passport", but I see that the DHL waybill is to Manila. Completely ignored my instructions.

    I just wondered does anyone know if the new child passport is returned WITH all the documents and IDs or are they returned separately. Maybe the new passport will be returned to my UK address.
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    UK Passport application for child born in Philippines - our Timeline

    Passport for: overseas first child passport (baby born in Philippines)
    Applying from: United Kingdom by father.
    Method of application: Online
    Date of Application : 1 july 2019
    Countersignatory approved : 5 July 2019
    Date documents sent: 6 July 2019 liverpool
    Date Documents Received: 9 July 2019
    Joined Processing Queue: 30 July 2019
    Invitation to interview : 5 August 2019
    Date of interview : Durham 8 August 2019
    Application Approved: 27th August 2019
    Passport printed: 29th August 2019
    Date of waybill from Courier: 30th August 2019
    Date of Passport received: estimated 2nd September 2019 in Philippines



    It was an overseas application for child born in Phils, but from a UK address. The UK countersignatory must only know the UK parent in such an application. So it's easier. This is not mentioned on the HMPO website, it gives the impression that you must apply in the mother's name, but this is not correct.

    We enclosed :-
    1. Photos of pregnant mother (2)
    2. Photo of mother, father, baby together.
    3. Receipts of Filipino OB-gynae doctor (2)
    4. Ultrasound pictures (2)
    5. Hospital birth certificate with father's signature
    6. Yellow NSO birth certificate
    7. CENOMAR showing mother unmarried
    8. Parents' birth certificates (2)
    9. Parents' passports (2)
    10. Mother's Filipino government ID with address. Municipio Id with address.
    11. Father's UK address, council tax bill.


    The mother's filipino birth certificate was registered as a "male". [ERROR]
    The father's UK birth certificate registration was dated as 2 weeks before the actual birth.
    [ERROR] (all they have to do is copy the date but they got it wrong)

    Maybe the UK application of overseas child passport without DNA testing, is only possible if the father is mentioned on the birth certificates , I'm not really sure.
    If mother and father are married to each other, the marriage certificate is needed, and maybe 1 or 2 other small differences.

    It took 2 months to get the first child overseas passport, not bad!

    The interview was very intrusive, lasted 40 minutes and asked many detailed questions "where was conception - in a bed " although nothing about the countersignatory. It was in a private booth.
    I requested that HMPO return my passport after the interview (free). All contact with HMPO was remarkably friendly and helpful
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  18. graham59
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    Well done. :like:

    I'm sure the info you've provided will be very useful for others.

    They've certainly sped up the process during the past couple of years....not before time.

    My son's passport was sent to his mother's address in the Phils, and delivered by courier. I don't think there is any choice in this.

    The supporting documents were also enclosed.

    I had already requested my own passport and birth cert back, and had received them at my UK address. (I had enclosed a pre-paid recorded delivery Post Office envelope).
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  19. Ian martin
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    Hi Graham,

    Good idea the addressed, Recorded delivery envelope!
    Yes, it's possible to have the new passport and documents sent to any address. In the current address section in the UK passport application guide it says

    "We won’t normally return your passport to an address that is different from your current address. If you want it delivered to a different address, please explain why and give the other address in section 8. We may contact you for evidence of your connection to that address."

    In the case of a passport application for a baby, it's always confusing who the "you" mentioned on the forms actually IS, sometimes it means the baby applicant and sometimes the person actually filling in the form.
    I already submitted evidence of my UK address and clearly told them which address to return everything to (in section 8 AND on a separate paper in CAPITAL SHOUTY letters).
    I will submit a complaint. I expect that the the courrier fee will be reimbursed, maybe more. Make THEM jump through hoops for a change.
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    I agree on the 'confusing' application forms. They need improving.

    I found that emailing the Passport Office people actually produced a quick , helpful response.

    Quite a surprise that.

    The 'Helpline'... don't bother. I don't think they're even government employees, and (I'm told) don't have access to your case details anyway.
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