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Biden vs Trump

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by bigmac, Nov 8, 2020.

  1. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    A lot of brexit remainers still don't accept it, even though we aren't members of the EU nowadays :)
  2. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    That's a view but to many he isn't!
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  3. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Despite all, I am of the opinion that the American voting system sucks, and is in drastic need of overhauling and turning into a first past the post model.
    Without all this immoral and idiotic confusion of electoral colleges and all it brings.
    At the end of each poll, keep the votes secret until all states have returned the results.
    Conduct recounts to make sure of result from each state, add everything up...
    Then and only then, the Supreme Court to announce the winner of the race.
    Simple

    It is not nuclear science.
  4. oss
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    Excuse me nothing like these events in US happened in the UK over the BREXIT vote, we disagreed and we fought for the best outcome using every legitimate means possible, and we didn't succeed, so hard luck for us.

    And politically there are those who are fighting now to re-join, politics does not stop people can legitimately continue to argue in a civil manner.

    This president has systematically and relentlessly lied about the election deliberately stirring up insurrection, are you saying that the remain block in the UK lied about BREXIT.
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  5. oss
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    And how about the voter suppression tactics used by Republican incumbents, to disenfranchise and keep black and ethic voters away from the polls, something that has been going on forever.
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  6. Aromulus
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    Those, I believe, are tactics used by all parties over there.

    Just consider one man/woman one vote.
    No postal ballots, as it can be abused. (Unless someone is abroad)
    Voting over one week-end
    Voter to vote personally at polling station
  7. oss
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    No the democrats don't purge voter lists for no good reason, they don't send out goons to intimidate people waiting in line to vote, they don't remove polling stations and drop boxes, and many more.

    edit: reduction of polling places so that people have to wait 17 hours in a line, usually in pro democrat areas, forcing people to potentially soil themselves in order to stay in line to get to vote.
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  8. John Stevens
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    I never mentioned brexit so why would you come to that conclusions unless there was some similarity between the two?
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  9. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Ok granted, my apologies, I was reading it and responding in the context of the replies.
  10. oss
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    Have you watched him address the crowd before they marched on the Capitol, he implies he would join their march, like hell did he join them, like all cowards and bullies he leads from behind.

    And today he throws HIS rioters, HIS mob under a bus, because someone has likely made it really clear to him how much trouble he is in now, laughable.
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  11. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Eh! What conclusion have you jumped to from my post?
  12. oss
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    Conclusions based upon prior posts and reactions John.

    I conclude that you have generally approved of him, I am simply highlighting that the many who don't see him as the worst president in history must be comfortable with his extremely disturbing behaviour.
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  13. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I generally approve of all democratic processes and will always underpin my views with my principles rather than political slant or flavour of the day to just go with the flow.

    To suggest that those who " don't recognise him as the worst president in history" are comfortable in his behaviour and those actions of some of his followers are pretty wide of the mark.
    Do I condone the actions of some of his followers certainly not, do I condone some of Trumps action and rhetoric no I don't, but then again I note that some commentaries don't always balance the same argument when the agenda doesn't suit for example the actions of Trump supporters on capitol hill, deplorable ( I agree) the desecration of our cenotepth and the need to encase the monument of Churchill hmm! The same bods are not shouting from the same rooftop all the time.
    I try to

    Is Trump the worst president of all time some will says yes some will say no, some will hold up examples of both sides of the argument.
    Was he worse than Nixon, Bush JFK, Wilson, Harding,Roosevelt all of these and a few more are in a lot of people's minds are in the same race to be called the worst President, but all of them had good points too.
    Some even call Obama out.

    I guess it comes down to your own principles how you measure anyone in life.
  14. John Stevens
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    No need for apologies but it does prove a point that my post could be about almost any country in the world, politics today has more to do with personalty cult and big media with an agenda and mountains of money than doing whats right for the good of the people.

    Politics now is about choosing a side, does not matter what the message is as long as your team beats theirs, its tribalism.
  15. John Stevens
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    John Stevens Active Member

    Sadly as shocking as it is he's probably only in the top 10 of the worst presidents of the USA.
  16. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    the Bush baby wins it for me.
  17. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I was going to write a long reply but this explains it far better than I could.

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  18. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    So I wonder. What has Trump done while in office to warrant not being awarded the accolade of the worst president in US history?
  19. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    not destroyed iran? ( yet )
  20. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Reshaping the federal judiciary
    Space Force
    Tax reform
    First Step Act
    Salary Donation
    Defeating ISIS's caliphate and killing Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
    Union Representation Mexico Canada trade deal

    He got a lot wrong also!






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