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Brexit and Scexit

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Mar 29, 2017.

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  1. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I was just watching the news and one of the comments about removing the UK from the map was "its like removing someone from your Facebook account once you have fallen out with them." :)
  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    It is accurate the UK is not part of the EU27, twenty seven states are negotiating with one state that is leaving, why should they not be able to publish statistics that reflect that reality.
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Would you keep pictures on your living room wall of the wife you were in the process of divorcing, there is no need for a modern day simile.
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  4. Markham
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    The EU27 technically does not exist, it is EU28 and will remain so until the UK and UK sign the Final Agreement. Does your answer indicate that you'd be completely content if Brussels air-brushed the UK out of all EU materials going back to 1975 as if the UK were never involved with the bloc? Brussels seeking to re-write history is the act of a petulant and spoilt child, not a mature adult.
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    What a stab in the back for the children ... in this case the Remainers who'd like the divorce not to take place.
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  6. graham59
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    graham59 Banned

    Aaah the poor EU babies are throwing their toys out of the pram at the prospect of being removed from the UK tit. :rolleyes:
  7. ChoiAndJohn
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    ChoiAndJohn Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Spending last week at business meetings in Copenhagen has reminded with renewed force just what the brexit vote could potentially be throwing away. Personally, I value the concept of 'freedom of movement' since it affords me the flexibility to live and work in a variety of interesting places.
    I still see the brexit vote as quite possibly throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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  8. Markham
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    Tim Farron is Eurosceptic??!! He told Andrew Marr this morning that he's "a bit of a Eurosceptic" and that, about ten years ago, he resigned from his party's front bench because he disagreed with its stance on Europe. Actually he resigned as the Lib Dem Home Affairs spokesman because Nick Clegg, his Leader, decided that Lib Dem MPs would abstain in a vote about granting the electorate a referendum of the Lisbon Treaty; Clegg was promoting a referendum on the EU generally.

    But Farron's resignation doesn't mean he is a Eurosceptic as he supported the Tory view that the country should have an opportunity to vote on a rather important Treaty. Despite openly campaigning for Tory and Labour Remainers to join tyhe Lib Dems so that they can reverse the march to leave the EU, his claim to be "a bit Eurosceptic" is bending the truth.


    His message was designed to appeal to the west country electorate who are overwhelmingly Brexiters and where the seats have traditionally been held by his party but are no longer.

    Tory Remain-supporting MPs aren't convinced:

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    I do wonder how Farron and, if he's elected, Vince Cable will get on: Cable and Mark Oaten were on the right of their party, promoting economic liberalism and it was to counter this influence that the Beveridge Group was formed, of which Farron is a member.
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    Divorce is messy and people get hurt including the children, in this case the wife asked for the divorce, and right now it looks like the kids won't get to visit the ex husband very often in future, so the pictures on the husband's wall should maybe better reflect this future going forward.

    Getting a bit stretched.
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    So you're saying that the husband is a cruel unfeeling bastard ... yeah, I'd go along with that :)
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    I'm not going to stretch it any further, but your view is a perfect example of confirmation bias.
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  12. Markham
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    A slap-down if ever I saw one. Perhaps you haven't read this article on HeatStreet whose opening lines read:

    "Stephen Colbert popularized the phrase, “It’s a well-known fact that reality has a liberal bias.” It’s the kind of sloganeering that’s caused many a progressive liberal to adopt a smug, self-satisfied view of the world with a sense of certainty that stands unfaltering—until faced with dissent.

    New research (via New Scientist) shows that leftists are every bit as deluded those they mock, and that they’re just as prone to confirmation bias as their political opponents."

    How true!
  13. Markham
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    Gloria De Piero is a former TV presenter turned Labour MP. Here's her campaign video.


    Did you spot her mistake?

    The election is 8th June, not 9th June!! No wonder Labour will lose, it's electors are being given the wrong date to vote!! :lol:
  14. graham59
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    Haha... so the two people I have on ignore rated my post as 'dumb'. :rolleyes: No surprises or great loss there then. :like:

    Sorry haters, but ratings can also be removed. :p
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  15. ChoiAndJohn
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    ChoiAndJohn Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Sigh.
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  16. Markham
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    You may not like or agree with what @graham59 said but if you decide to quote his words, you really should do so accurately. I am sure you would be miffed if someone deliberately misquoted you :)
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    Right, so someone points out that this troll has committed yet another logical fallacy (to go alongside the countless red herrings and strawman arguments) and his counter argument is yet another strawman!
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    Why do people get so wound up about ratings? It's as amusing as it is cute.
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    I want to feed the troll
  20. oss
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    Really?

    I just wanted out of the discussion, I don't comment here very much anymore because any attempt at rational discussion is met with one or two persons absolute ultimate view that cannot be questioned, if anyone attempts to do so the lecture goes on and on and on until the room goes silent, or at least until the echo chamber is working perfectly.

    I take a certain pleasure in being wrong particularly in regard to factual provable things because it usually means I have learned something new, but in the world portrayed here I am not even allowed to express that I feel scared about the future, everyone's future, never mind question the prevailing view.

    Enjoy the echo chamber, it appears that we live in a world where he who shouts the loudest and longest wins and that appears to be all that matters to some people these days, it appears that it is all a game with no consequences and we might not be around to suffer those consequences anyway.
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