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Brexit and Scexit

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Mar 29, 2017.

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  1. Markham
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    Today the Sunday Telegraph reports that EU Commission lawyers strongly advised that the Brexit bill of €100 billion is legally-impossible to enforce and that the Commission could not cherry-pick cost items from the budget to hit Britain with. But with true Gallic arrogant pomposity, Juncker and Barnier took the decision to over-rule their legal counsel. The €100 billion demands not only stands but, as Barnier warned last week, will likely increase between now and March 2019 - Britain must agree to the methodology of the calculations, the exact figures will be plugged-in later he said.

    I say "bollocks to that" and agree with the calculation published last week which demonstrates that in fact the EU owes Britain £58 billion (€68.4 billion). This includes:
    • £9 billion deposit in the European Investment Bank
    • £12 billion being Britain's share of outstanding loans
    • £4.5 billion in cash, equipment and property
    • £7 billion subsidies and infrastructure
    • £2.5 billion is owed to the National Health Service for treating EU Citizens
    • £2.8 billion waste and corruption
    • £18.4 billion welfare payments made to mainly jobless EU citizens in the UK
    • £31 million of assets in European Space Agency
    • £89 million in unpaid student loans
    If we disregard the €50 billion that was added to our bill last week and subtract what we owe the EU from what they owe us, they still owe us £8 billion.

    Today Malta celebrated Europe Day and the EU put on a bit of a show at Villa Rundle Gardens in Central Victoria - other celebrations were held in Valletta and Sliema on Malta. On Gozo this included a couple of bouncy castles for children, ballet and modern dance displays, free food and give-aways including Parker ballpoints silk-screened with the logo of the EU Commission. All paid for by our taxes. How very generous they are with our money.
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  2. Dave_E
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    I find this deeply disturbing.

    If it was truly worthwhile for the UK to remain in the EU, then there should be a rough balance between our cost of membership, and the benefits we receive in return.

    What we pay in vs What we get back.​

    The EU negotiators claim that €100,000,000,000 is needed to balance their finances due to our departure, just shows what a bad deal we have been getting.
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  3. Timmers
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    At some point Mrs May is going to have to say "up yours EU," I feel a lot of these ridiculous financial demands come from nothing more than spite, a typical divorce in other words.

    Good we are walking away from this.
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    I was actually wondering who is going to sort this financial mess out, is it to be lawyers from both sides or is it solely the EU picking the figures out of thin air?
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    You will often find an ailing community will try and screw it's superior stronger neighbour.
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  6. Markham
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    Despite the fact that Britain is leaving the Single Market and its four "freedoms" will no longer apply, the Fuhrer of the Fourth Reich has declared today that Britain is to be punished if she in any way controls or limits migrants from Europe after leaving the EU.

    Perhaps Merkel has forgotten that the last time a German Chancellor threatened another European country, he triggered a world war which his country lost.
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    I sincerely hope we will be controlling and limiting migrants from the EU, Merkel has no say in the matter once we have left.

    As I have stated before, we will never reach an agreement anyway and its easy to see why :)
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    Important to note that this was reported on the 6th of December 2016, it shows you what they really think.

    So was BREXIT really about immigration or about deluding themselves into allowing shoddy imports and shoddy exports in order to improve the relative margins of they and their friends businesses at the expense of UK workers who could easily be reduced to third world employment conditions with such an approach.

    I'd rather we made quality goods using safe renewable energy resources with a well paid motivated population.
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  13. Methersgate
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    I went to a talk by the arch-Remainer AC Grayling

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Grayling

    and he spent some time talking about Rees-Mogg and "the moggies". His opinion is that Rees-Mogg and his friends are mainly concerned with repealing EU legislation protecting workers rights and consumers rights in order to create a "more perfect free market".
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    Those workers rights acquired over many years are probably the reason why we don't yet have a massive worker rebellion along the lines of the 1970s after the financial meltdown of the last 9 years, repeal those rights and the 70s and 80s are back again, those days might be back again soon anyway.

    It has been very hard for most people for the last 9 years but they have largely put up with it, that tolerance will likely not continue once inflation ramps up, 3% is not a limit by any means personally I would expect it to go higher.
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  15. Markham
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    The government has confirmed the UK will leave the customs union by hiring a globally respected Chief Negotiation Adviser. Crawford Falconer is a New Zealander with 25 years of experience at negotiating trade deals.

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    He joins Dr Liam Fox's International Trade department where his job will be to "develop and negotiate free trade agreements and market access deals with non-EU countries".
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  16. Methersgate
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    It is impossible to bribe or twist
    Thank God! The British Journalist

    But seeing what the man will do
    Un-bribed, there's no occasion to...

    (Humbert Wolfe)

    Here's a particularly pungent example, from the Daily Express:
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  18. KeithAngel
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    No suprise there then cant wait for further deregulation to make us all safer:rolleyes:
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    An easy 2 minutes search will show you very clearly that the EU fire safety rating for the panels used were classified...A1.... (Non combustible)
    Now what?
  20. oss
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    They weren't the product page and certification documents were clear that they were A2, only Renyolux is A1 both products were used in the building Reynolux is an aluminium sheet whereas Reynobond is aluminium composite of two sheets and a polyethylene core.

    'A2: A2-s1, do' is specifically a "limited combustibility material"

    As some of us have stated already we should all wait until the forensic analysis is complete, the images from the night clearly show a chimney effect, so there are going to be serious questions asked about how they were installed.


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