Brexit and Scexit

Maybe she would be, but probably only with EU countries that she had pre-existing (to March 2003) close alliances with and I can't think of any.

I was actually talking about the ECJ, Single Market and Customs Union which both Corbyn and May want shot of. As for "citizens' rights" many EU nationals won't have qualified for citizenship and others either don't want it or haven't bothered to get it. Those that have it will be fine but you can not demand that British citizenship be granted the day they cross the Channel because that is clearly discriminatory.

Without the ECJ as the final protection of what the treaties (2004/38 that affects you and me Chris,Dom etc) t he 28 would have ,led ably by May in the HO and now placed further obstacles on family member reunification.

Ive not mentioned Citizenship once , thats a matter for individuals, but currently Permanent Residence automaticaly kicks in after 5 years no application required unless you wish

With millions of EU,s now scambling to register normal residence card applications are now averaging 9 months (rather than the 6 month maximum for complex cases) some folk have waited 3 months without a biometric appointment ,whith out which the HO dont even start there clock running

I am something of an expert in this field having won an appeal against the HO here and from the experiences of downright obstruction I have witnessed over the last 4 years I can say unequivocally without the ECJ millions of folk here are at the political whim of the Tory,s failed immigration Policy

I personally hope that the EU continues to make clear these citiens on going rights are a non negotiable condition for any access to Europe

I agree that there probably needs to be a final arbiter but neither the government nor the opposition want that to be the ECJ.

Yes and PR should continue to automatically apply. But where I disagree with the EU's demands is where they talk about continuing those rights for ever to whoever makes it across the Channel from Europe.

There's no excuse for that. Whilst far fewer applications are made here, the department handling them is much, much smaller and residence applications for EU citizens take no more than 2-3 weeks whilst those for non-EUs do take around 3 months to process.

Congratulations - and I do mean that quite sincerely! I thought your situation was pretty straight-forward: a few months sunning yourself in Portugal and then a (successful) application for a Family Permit - or did things go pear-shaped?

I simply hope that whatever emerges is fair for everyone - EUs in the UK, Brits in the EU and Brits in the UK

Its already fair and equal for all EU,s Brits in Europe and at home

Reply,s in bold in the body of your post

No it's not! The UK is the only country in the European Union that does not regard its citizens to also be citizens of the EU. That opt-out was cravenly obtained by Blair for his own political purposes.

It say European Union on my passport and Family Member Of a European Citizen on my Wifes Residence Card.

I for one will be happy to pay for continued personal membership

Lucky we dont have any cravens left in my side of the debate

The idiot woman continues to make up policy as she goes along, without consultation:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/g...tom-agency-was-ever-carried-out-a3586071.html

Its not even suprising anymore

No surprise that this story is published by the Evening Standard, edited by an arch-Remainer and co-architect of Project Fear.

The only surprise is that you didn't pick-up on last Monday's lead story:

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which is quite simply fake news - that Britain's leaving Euratom will mean no more radio-isotopes to treat Cancer sufferers. The agency places no restriction on exports to countries outside the EU (because radio-isotopes are not fissile materials) but even if it did, it can not prevent Britain from manufacturing its own or indeed importing them from the United States.

Implications of Brexit on the Availability of Radioisotopes

The European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom) regulates civilian nuclear activity and supports the “secure and safe supply and use of medical radioisotopes”. The Government confirmed the UK’s withdrawal from Euratom in an explanatory note to the EU (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill. It considers that the Euratom and EU Treaties are legally joined such that triggering Article 50 gave notice of leaving Euratom. There is a debate about the legal basis of this point. This is also the European Commission’s position: a recent statement said that the Euratom Treaty will cease to apply to the UK on 30 March 2019. The Government will establish new agreements to replace Euratom before March 2019. Concerns have been raised by stakeholders across academia and industry as to how realistic this is, and its potential negative impacts on the UK’s nuclear sector, including nuclear research, power and medicine. Although there has been speculation that the UK will be unable to import radioactive materials, including 99Mo the Government has recently stated in a parliamentary question on 27 June that Euratom does not apply to the import and export of medical radioisotopes, as they are not fissile materials.
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This is a new low for "six-jobs" Osborne whose story claims that all Cancer sufferers are going to die because of Brexit. Are you proud that Cancer sufferers who already will be at a physical and emotional low point, are being unnecessarily scared to score political points?? Project Fear has become Project Scare.

Another scare story for Mark, here:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...rd-adonis-brexit-could-be-uks-biggest-mistake

Another arch-Remainer invoking the memory of Hitler and the Nazis

How can Tory,s be arch remainers after all the PM was a remainer but says brexit means breakfast Whats not to like about breakfast

I dunno. Why not ask Ken Clarke, Nicky Ingram, Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve or Lord Heseltine

Almost right! She actually said "Brexit means Brexit!"

No, he didn't. He made a valid comparison with appeasement as one of three great issues that confronted the British government, the third being decolonisation, and he says that appeasement was a mistake.

Read, learn, and inwardly digest:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...f91&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

Lest we forget

I have read it but would rather not have. Fortunately Britain will soon be released from the clutches of a Germany-dominated tightly-integrated Europe.

Andrew.

With all respect, I cannot see why your linked article does anything other than highlighting the strengthening German position in Europe.

Are we supposed to stand back in awe, as our country crumbles under federal German domination?

Most of the stuff surrounding Brexit is farcical, but this really makes me angry. I know of scientific groups who have been warning about this since the referendum. May has moved from incompetency to absolute lunacy here.