Britons living in Europe could lose right to live in another EU country

Some people are like that, but not all British Expats. I live in Ibiza much of my time and I have very few British friends there, most of my friends are either German or Dutch

I speak passable French as I worked in Paris in hospitals - they would not speak English

I think that there will be a tightening up of the current leniency regarding empadronamiento, residencia, proving financial ability to support oneself, and registering for tax, and this will force many who currently fly under the radar to become known. Once the game's up, they'll have to go back. If I hadn't met Melody and therefore needed to get my own situation 'in order', I probably would myself still have been among that number. (I agree that this increased scrutiny wouldn't be the choice of the Spanish government who are quite aware of how much the British contribute to the economy, but that it will be the result of an edict from Brussels)

I was referring to those whom I know who are of working age.
Y claro, hablo espanol (pero la teclada de mi ordenador es ingles, asi desculpame por la falta de los tildes y tal)

How much do you think that would be for lets say a married couple?
In regards the tax thing.. Whats that about?? They tax income and pensions from abroad?

If you are Spanish tax resident you are obliged to declare your worldwide earnings for tax. So even if you generate no income in Spain you will normally still have to submit a Spanish tax return to declare your foreign income. There is a €60,100 tax exemption on foreign employment earnings which you may be able to use but only if you have paid tax on these earnings already. (This exemption applies to income earned for work carried out physically in the other country.) Adopting the “out of sight, out of mind” approach on the basis that the Spanish tax office will not learn of your overseas earnings is risky. If you are regularly bringing the earnings into Spain to spend then this may trigger an investigation, or if you accumulate cash abroad this may be picked up by the increasingly sophisticated information sharing arrangements between tax authorities.

Anyone operating an internet business physically located in Spain but with overseas sales and customers would be expected to submit a tax return and declare the proceeds. Additionally, they should register the business activity as as autonomo or company and should account for IVA (VAT).

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Crikey.

That's a sentiment that is shared here also. My latest information, courtesy of a government informant, is that the plan is that post-Brexit rights for EU nationals will not be fully reciprocated and Britons living in the EU will enjoy far fewer rights than their EU national counterparts. It is highly likely that we Brits will only be able to continue living elsewhere in the EU until the expiry of our current five year residency permits. We're unlikely to be chucked-out but life will become rather difficult as we'll cease to be treated as residents but rather as tourists and visa fees may be applicable.

The Commission has apparently instructed national governments to cancel any bilateral agreements they have with the UK; under one such agreement, British citizens resident in Malta enjoy exactly the same health provision as Maltese citizens which is significantly better than other EU (and non-EU) nationals living here. But Brexit will result in us losing that and mean we will have to pay for any medical treatment at the time of delivery - UK EHIC cards and State Pensioners' Form S's will cease to be valid as of next March. The loss of residency will impact on other services including local banking, the availability of concessionary fares (ferries, buses and taxis) and the ability to rent accommodation. Unlike our EU counterparts, our non-EU family members will not be entitled to join us post-Brexit and, of course, our own freedom of movement rights will cease.

Malta's population is about 460,000 and Brits make up around 4,000 of the 30,000 foreign residents; incidentally there are around 3,000 Filipino residency permit holders.

Thanks Markham - It's very interesting to read your analysis of the situation in Malta, and confirms my suspicions here in Spain that British Ex-Pats are in for a rude awakening. Here in Spain, in the Valencian Community region (consisting of Valencia, Castellon and Alicante provinces) there is already a requirement for Private Medical Insurance in many situations. It is possible to pay for this through the Government's 'Convenio Especial' which costs 60e per month per person, but rises significantly (to around 150e per month upon reaching retirement age.) Private Medical Insurance companies are quoting 300+ for Melody and I.

Consequently, unless it is expressly stated by the Spanish and backed by the EU that ExPat rights and those of their Non-EU family members will not change, Melody and I will be leaving for the shores of Blighty in the early part of the New Year.

My reasoning for this is mainly one of cost. As every person on this site is fully aware, the (theoretical) cost of bringing a Non-EU spouse from the Philippines and later on to Britain is 0.00 euros, and the cost of bringing the same directly to Britain is £LOTS.

I believe that as soon as Brexit happens, the Surinder Singh route will be chopped off, and the opportunity to bring Melody to Britain will no longer be free of charge and relatively simple. Instead, the dreaded 130 page application form will appear, as will a non-refundable application fee bordering on the ridiculous, but already extortionate.

Also, life in Spain will become a lot more precarious (and expensive) as our rights to remain as Ex-Pats and Family Members - although not ceasing completely and immediately, are at least subjected to a gradual and increasing erosion.

I believe this will leave us in the situation of not being able to afford the costs of entering the UK together, not being able to remain in the EU, and not being financially secure enough to consider a move to the Philippines. The prospect of returning to a Skype marriage does not enthuse me.

Maybe the EU will make provision for us. Maybe they won't. But once we return from our holiday in January in the Philippines, we will be ready to make our final decision and act accordingly.

Credit for the EU's tough stance regarding EU nationals must go to one Joseph Muscat, Malta's Prime Minister and the then President of the European Council. Muscat is a reconstructed Eurosceptic who agreed with Selmayr, Juncker and Verhofstadt that Britain should be punished severely if Brexit can not be reversed: no doubt his future appointment as a EU Commissioner (in charge of loo rolls?) is now assured.

You should have no problem with a Surinder Singh application but I will pass-on this caveat: A Brit-Fil couple moved from Gozo to Sheffield earlier this year and had been assured by what they read in a Facebook group posting that they did not need to apply for a Family Permit prior to departing Malta. They've now been in the UK for 3 months and are trying to regularise the wife's position. The Home Office is giving them a real hard time and told them they should have applied for a Family Permit before leaving Malta. So my advice is that you should apply for a Family Permit whilst they're still available and I suspect that they may become increasingly more difficult to obtain as Brexit Day approaches. If I were you, I'd apply no later than mid-September. In fact, you may find it preferable to postpone your trip to the Philippines until after you've moved to the UK: Melody's Family Permit will effectively be a multiple entry visa that's valid for six months.

We could make the entry into the UK in late January though, still following your sensible advice and applying for the Family Permit before we go so that any potential for delay is minimised.

There has always been bad attitude towards the British from hardcore EU supporters, something that I experienced on several occasions whilst working in Europe, well before the Brexit vote.

Dwarfed by the British governments hatred of its own Citizens also before Brexit vote

Your assertion is completely without foundation; secondly, it's a veiled reference to a political scandal and as such it has no place here; and, thirdly it's completely off-topic and doesn't add to the conversation.

The EU demands that Britain agrees to provide EU nationals and their families with virtually unlimited rights of entry, residence and citizenship with all that entails including education, health care and so on. Britain has agreed but UK negotiators were not permitted to discuss let alone insist on reciprocal rights for the considerably fewer British nationals residing elsewhere in Europe. I understand that the Commission will issue a directive some time in early 2019 instructing member nations as to the disposition and rights (if any) of resident British citizens to take effect from 11pm UK time on Friday 23rd March 2019 (when the UK's membership of the EU is scheduled to cease). There has been mention of a visa and work permit regime as currently applies to non-EU migrant workers (eg OFWs) with possible refusals where a Brit is doing the work that could be undertaken by a local. My source believes this to be the minimum that Brussels will dictate; proficiency in the local language may also be necessary.

Of course Britain may not leave the EU after all and won't unless the government manages to unpick the House of Lords' amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill and in particular the extremely cleverly and obscurely worded clause that gives the Lords - and only the House of Lords - the unassailable right to overturn the referendum result and cancel Brexit once and for all, which they can do right up to the last minute. Always provided that the House of Lords continues to exist and has any powers at that point in time which may be in doubt; we will know more later in June. The constitutional crisis and civil unrest that would follow such an undemocratic move would, I think, make moving back to the UK a less than ideal experience: "democracy" might have to be suspended with the introduction of Martial Law, a move that won't be criticised by either the EU or the House of Lords since neither institution truly respects democracy through the ballot box.

I have read of hostile statements made by a vocal minority who believe that Ex-Pats should not be permitted to return to the UK if they may or will be a charge on the Public Purse. Many of us will fall into that category to a lesser or greater extent - certainly initially as we struggle to re-establish ourselves and in some/many cases maybe more permanently. Some Ex-Pats may feel betrayed - those who voted/supported Remain will have had to give up their homes and lifestyles to return to a cold and uninviting country to be met by a hostile section of the population who'd say nothing to the grandmother of a resident Romanian being able to come to the UK but object to someone returning to his homeland who'd paid UK taxes and National Insurance contributions for forty-plus years of their lives. Double whammy. Actually it's a triple whammy as the EU dictatorship is totally unconcerned about us and our rights. There are, I'm sure, Ex-Pats praying for Brexit to be aborted so that their relatively comfortable lives can continue. But their joy may be rudely ruptured by a change in government policy.

Bloody rubbish post

Where does your information come from? Total hogwash

https://assets.publishing.service.g...on_of_EU-UK_positions_on_citizens__rights.pdf

On the European rules alone The Government has made 3 interpretations of 2004/38 and Singh effectively disadvantaging Brits and their Non EU Families whereas Portugal for example changed its rules to give its Citizens the same rights as EU Citizens

On the Domestic front The Government 0f 2010 changed the rules for spouse visas in 2012 to include an earnings threshold that split families and raised the costs to ILR and Naturalization effectively removing a cohort of minimum wage earners and especialy impacting women and children.

These are facts that are scandelous, inflicted on British Citizens without thought to the individual costs or worse with understanding of the pain caused

What will happen to your Missus or mine if we were no longer around? Is that "Political" or a proper discussion on an Anglo-FilipnoForum

I'm afraid it's not "total hogwash". The source you cite is misleading, possibly deliberately so; see this article: "EU leaders accused of not protecting citizens’ rights in Brexit deal" published in the Guardian as recently as a couple of weeks ago. And there's this too.

As for my source, it is someone I trust who is a senior civil servant whose job it is to apply the regulations pertaining to expatriates and their job includes knowing what's in the pipeline.

Civil servants posses neither heart nor soul nor conscience; they have to be dispassionate, couldn't do their job otherwise. And do remember that Leave scored the highest percentages in working class, traditionally Labour-voting areas of the north, Midlands and Wales: all areas adversely affected by the availability of cheap migrant labour from eastern Europe. There has been a growing clamour to curb immigration ever since the early noughties and Cameron's coalition government reacted.

I don't know about mine, since with me not being employed, my wife is unlikely to qualify for a Family Permit. Your wife, however, will enjoy retained rights of residence (according to the Home Office's web site).

Its exctly what is agreed. You claimed that British citizens are not getting the same rights, even taking into account another brexit article, that one does not say that there is a difference between EU and UK citizens. Hogwash. There is no disparity. The article argues about the competence of the Home office, not the deal. I cannot see anywhere where the actual deal is criticised in you comment or the article. Maybe you source is more concerned with resources and competence rather than the actual fairness.