Britons living in Europe could lose right to live in another EU country

My source is not employed by the UK government so does not comment on what that government has agreed to or how it will be implemented but does pass-on information and advice regarding the disposition of British Ex-Pats currently living in Malta. Since my source receives documents issued by the EU as well as those issued by the local ministry and, as far as I know, you don't and because this issue affects me directly, you'll understand if I err on the side of caution and accept my source's advice/information rather than someone I don't know.

As I said earlier, we will have to wait for Juncker and Tusk to issue a Directive detailing the rights and dispositions of British nationals living in EU27 closer to Brexit Day. But you can bank on the fact that the deal handed to Britons will not be the same as that the UK must extend to Europeans. For one thing, freedom of movement and free (at the point of delivery) health care for Britons stops next March and there will be no rights for people living in the UK to move abroad and join their family members in the EU27. These disparities are already known and have been accepted by No 10 and DExEU.

Your conflating different issues

If the transition period is agreed and ratified nothing will change

Healthcare for nonworkers will depend on the UK continuing to fund there retirees etc

Automatic Free movement will end on both sides either in March or Jan 2021

No disparety just unresolved negotiations

The 27 would be open to retaining current arrangements It is the UK Government that is seeking change

So you're not aware that Guy Verhofstadt and the European Parliament is demanding that EU citizens in the UK enjoy preferential rights over British citizens living in Europe. He's also demanding that full rights of British citizenship be automatically granted to those EU nationals along with any others who decide to move during the transition phase. And I am passing-on the information that Britons will not be able to exercise freedom of movement rights after next March and there are - and never have been or will be - any rights to automatic citizenship for us.

And yet you claim there'll be no disparity!

This shocks me
How can there be one rule for EU nationals already in the UK but a different rule for British citizens already living in the EU?

Can you expand on what these greater rights are? You might also realize that Verhofstadt does not make the decision. The agreement is as per the link I provided. You keep providing hearsay but no actual links. I accept its been amoving target but the agreement reached seems equitable.

I hear Fabricant things we should pull out of Eurovision. Click bait but pointless opinion.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...ns-rights-close-eus-verhofstadt-idUKKCN1GI1PB

Maybe one thing which not everyone realises could be the issue here. The EU does not provide residency or work permits to people from 3rd countries. Only nation states can according to their individual policies. Somebody from Turkey with either a work visa or residency in Germany cannot even visit the UK without the necessary visa. This is why UK citizens in the EU will only receive residency rights for the country they are in. Its consistent with current practice. If we remained in the EEA / EFTA then it might be different but then we would have to accept freedom of movement

Its baloney Mike,Guy Verhofstadt has also supported the idea of British European Citizens retaining that right

"The EU27 member states’ negotiating directives to the European Commission, published on Monday, stated that there could be “no cherry picking” of the four freedoms of the EU if the UK wanted a transition period under existing terms.

This includes free movement; the guidelines state that “the provisions of the Citizens’ rights part of the withdrawal agreement should apply as from the end of the transition period” and that “the ‘specified date’ referred to in paragraph 8 of the Joint Report should consequently be defined as that of the end of the transition period”.

The joint report agreed by both sides in December says that “reciprocal protection for Union and UK citizens”, including free movement, would apply to “those citizens have exercised free movement rights by the specified date”. It goes on to state that “the specified date should be the time of the UK’s withdrawal”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...verhofstadt-european-parliament-a8189626.html

I rather suspect that Mr Muscat is feeling a bit sore that Malta has been suckered into giving away its economic self control and independence by joining the Euro.

He is now playing politics, he cannot be seen to be "straddling the fence" and has chosen to side against us Brits, and with the pro-EU extremists.

I have already enumerated the principal disparities between the future rights of British citizens living in Europe as against EU nationals living in Britain. As for Verhofstadt's role, he is ideologically opposed to Brexit, hates anything and everything British and just happens to be the EP's representative at the Brexit negotiations. Whatever deal Davis and Barnier cobble together will be considered and voted upon by the EU's national Parliaments - just one dissent (Poland/Visegrad? Ireland?) will scupper it - and after that will the EP debate and vote. If the proposed deal is in any way favourable to the UK, it will be blocked or modified.

Were Brexit to be cancelled, the UK's annual contribution would rise from (around) £13 billion to (around) £21 billion. As the Commission intends to remove all national rebates, the UK's overall membership fees would more than double (a rise of 236%) from the current net figure of £8.9 billion. But there'd be no problem for Chris and myself to continue our sun-kissed lives in our chosen havens which are about to receive huge cash injections courtesy of the EU - the money being diverted from Poland and the "poor" states of eastern Europe. Party on!

Brexit paranoia. If Brexit was cancelled then nothing would change regarding our contributions or agreement. It would require renegotiating a whole treaty with the other 27 and the necessary refereda all over europe. Never going to happen as it woul allow the unpicking of all sorts of things. The EU has never even hinted at it. This is just Project Fear 2018. You have no verifiable facts or reports to support your claims.

Muscat said, as a recognised Anglophile,that the UK's relationship with the EU after Brexit cannot be better than the one it has whilst in the EU. That's all. No freetrade without freedom of movement for example. No EADS, EuroTom etc without a contribution

If there is a Project Fear 2018, then it is one fostered by Juncker and the rest of the EU panjandrums as reported in this article, this one and this one, oh and this one quoting the Anglophobe Verhofstadt, not forgetting this warning from the Guardian should the implementation period overrun into the next budgetary period - which is when the rebates will be withdrawn. No new treaties or referendums required.

The Daily Express story is about after the UK leaving, not cancelling Brexit. Unfortunatelty the EU does not support Verhofstadt's opinion. We have similar idiots in the UK such as Jacob Rees Mogg. They are equally as useful and powerful, not at all. There is no EU statement thats ays if we cancel Brexit that we will lose the rebate. Its impossible for the reasons I exaplained, it would mean changing existing treaties and europe wide referenda. You are Project Fear 2018. Lies and myths. Nothing anywhere supports you claim. Its interesting how apart from one statement that he has never repeated it since early 2017.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577973/EPRS_BRI(2016)577973_EN.pdf#page=3

2011 figures Germany gets a rebate of €2.5 billion, Netherlands €1.05 billion, Sweden €0.35 billion. changing the rebates would require ALL these countries AND the UK to agree.

Its a very localised project fear hypocritically presented by our member who only believes in free movement for himself never let the absense of facts get in the way of a good winge only good point is the rehabilitation of the Guadian as a credible source (the one that created the ground swell for windrush reversals )

I thought your drive to leave the happy uplands of Davao was to avoid the sun kissing?
Comparing Spain with Malta is laughable it has a population roughly the same as Cardiff and a land mass of around half of the Isle of Man some party

If, as some are claiming, the 900,000-odd UK citizens currently living elsewhere in the EU will enjoy the same rights post-Brexit as the 3.4 million EU nationals living in the UK, then why is it that our new Home Secretary has found it necessary to write to the EU this week asking as to the post-Brexit disposition of British Ex-Pats?

Read more: Sajid-Javid-writes-EU-leader-concern-treatment-British-expats-post-Brexit.html

I have far greater faith in what a Secretary of State says than the gibberish published by left of centre, pro-EU newspapers.

I have faith in the Home Office as well, but its not that they have our interests at heart

This threat appears to have been removed. Guy Verhofstadt , who is the European Parliament's overseer of the Brexit negotiations, has told the Commission that the same rights relating to residency and freedom of movement post-Brexit must be granted to the 1.4+ million British citizens living in the EU27 as EU27 citizens in the UK have been promised. This should mean that we can move freely with Europe and that family members currently in the UK can join us abroad. Verhofstadt has called on both the Commission and all EU27 governments to signal their agreement as soon as possible.

If this prevails then it is very good news for EU-based Brits including Chris and myself and our respective families.

I thought political discussions were no longer allowed outside of the politics section?

It's not politics but current affairs!