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Brits Can Bring Foreign Family to UK Ruling

Discussion in 'Europe Wide Visa Discussions' started by Anon220806, Dec 18, 2014.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

  2. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    Can't see the UK taking this lying down. Lets see what happens!
  3. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    I rather think Methersgate would like a copy of that ruling .... but as of tomorrow he'll be out of internet coverage until after Christmas.
  4. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    This is basically saying that the wife of an EU national who is already resident in the EU somewhere outside Britain should be able to visit the UK under freedom of movement rules.

    It does not appear to say that any of us UK residents should be able to bring our partners here the moment we get married, does it?
  5. Markham
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    I interpret it differently, Oss - that it applies to non-EU nationals not living in the EU. The government already has to admit non-EU spouses who have lived/worked in an EU country by virtue of the Surinder Singh ruling.
  6. oss
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    The woman in question in this ruling had an EU residence card issued by Spain, surely this is just extending Schengen rules to people who are married but already resident in Europe, and appears to remove the need for low cost EU route into Britain that has long been talked about on here.
  7. oss
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    They way I read it 'as reported by sky', is that she has the right to live in Spain, but is currently living with her 2 kids abroad presumably in Columbia, the kids are British, and she has Schengen rights, but because she is travelling from Columbia she requires a visa.

    This ruling, says (to me) that we have to honour her Schengen rights even though she is not coming in from from the Schengen area.
  8. oss
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    So in truth how many really would be affected by this, how many Surinder Singh cases go through each year and is there not a cost involved with that route currently?

    For the rest how many EU citizens are married to foreigners and have not brought their spouses to Europe already given that it is much easier for them than it is for us, and then how many of them are going to want to suddenly uproot themselves again and head for the UK?

    So Polish bloke marries Filipina, does nothing about claiming rights for his wife to come live with him in Poland, then he moves to the UK and demands that his wife can join him for free, just exactly how many cases like this are going to happen.

    British bloke marries Filipina, doesn't live in the EU, has no choice but to go through the UK procedures as he has no personal Schengen rights to excercise, so this ruling does not affect British Bloke?
  9. Markham
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    You are right, the ruling does not apply to Brits. This Daily Mail article gives a better explanation. Given that the EU national - who is now free to bring his non-EU spouse - can claim benefits, I rather think this exposes the UK to immigration abuse.

    Britons are fast becoming disadvantaged when compared to EU nationals living here.
  10. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Please don't paint us all with the same brush.................

    I have paid my dues, time and time again....
  11. Markham
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    Dom, you came over with Julius and can be credited with two major achievements. Firstly you introduced the concept of immigration controls - by building a large wall in the north of England to keep the Scots out - and secondly, you introduced indoor plumbing! :lol:
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    Laws, Schools, Proper Roads, central heating, ball bearings, masses friendly contact sport (gladiator fights).........

    Apart from that, absolutely bugger all..........
  13. Maharg
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    It seems fair enough to me. If someone has an EU residence card, then I don't see why they shouldn't travel to the UK. It's very frustrating that travel throughout the EU is restricted.

    My wife's sister, for exmple, came over in August. She had to get a visa, even though she is a resident of Germany.

    I do wonder, however, how this will work in reverse. Can my wife travel to Germany on her residence permit, or does the UK's frustrating opt out of Schengen prevent this?
  14. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Opt out prevents it I think.
  15. Markham
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    Except for introducing grapevines!
  16. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    No and yes! Once your wife becomes a British citizen and Passport holder then such restrictions will no longer apply.
  17. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    No, that will still be the case after the great British public vote to collectively cut off their nose to spite their face, and withdraw from the EU.
  18. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Yeah, I'm aware of that. I mean with a residence permit.

    The British obsession with wanting to be awkward in Europe is very frustrating. It would be so nice if we could just hop on a train to Paris.
  19. Markham
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    It seems to me that the main (only?) beneficiaries of Britain's membership of the EU are employers keen to reduce costs and maximise profits. That's fine for their bottom line but what about Britons seeking employment - or to train for employment? Yesterday it was revealed that some 80,000 students are told each year that they can not train to become nurses, because for an investment equivalent to their £70,000 training cost, NHS Trusts can employ 3 nurses from one of the poorer EU countries. Additionally, fully-trained British nurses who have taken a sabbatical to have a family are unable to find posts to return to: the vacancies are being filled by cheaper nurses from abroad. By dint of EU Directives, migrant workers do not need to be able to converse or understand the language of their host countries as a prerequisite of employment.

    That, I suggest, is not sustainable. Any savings the NHS makes by employing ready-trained nurses from Portugal, Spain and elsewhere in the EU will be more than offset by the ever-increasing costs of benefits being paid to Britons who are unable to find employment or training places. As unemployment increases and more people find themselves on the breadline, so does the (petty) crime rate increase.
  20. Markham
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    Britain wishes to maintain control of its borders and neither the present nor previous Labour and Conservative governments have sought to change that. If Britain were to be a Schengen country, then its borders with Europe would be completely open and this would lead to a massive influx of economic migrants (aka "asylum-seekers") from Africa and the war-torn middle-eastern and Asian countries through the Channel Ports. The only place that such a migrant can be challenged is at their port of entry into the EU but the French, Italian, Greek and Spanish authorities all turn a blind-eye knowing that Britain is their destination - they don't want the costs or headaches involved in processing their asylum claims.

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