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China coronavirus spread is accelerating, Xi Jinping warns.

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by aposhark, Jan 25, 2020.

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  2. Anon220806
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    I have been at home since lockdown. My wife is still at work but of course the 7yo is at home. I found it good to get out of the house and have had the occasional drive further afield to get to B and Q for example. But going for groceries has been stressful and I find that I am relieved to get it done, get out and get home. From the time of parking the car and joining the queue it is full on “red alert” for avoiding the virus. Bandits at 6 o’clock and all that.

    I did start using vinyl gloves when shopping for a while as I thought they were a good idea but for various reasons decided that they weren’t as practical or beneficial as I first thought. Now I just use a gel on my hands when finished shopping. I haven’t cleaned off produce that I have bought but maybe I should. When Spain was in the ascendency with the virus I was loathed to buy a tray of strawberries grown and sourced in Spain.

    I suppose it is a case of minimising risk and striking the right balance.

    Thermal Cameras.
    I have just been reading about these. What a good idea.
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    Some aspects of what Duterte's administration did should be commended but this looks like a control order, it's martial law in all but name, and when they are not in a position to test none of these measures will be effective although they say they are planning for mass testing but how are they going to do that in a country with > 7000 islands and a population on the ground of over 100 million.

    This would be the end of the Filipino way of life, a highly social nation with close family contact and close contact with friends, Jeepneys you could only fit 6 people with a restriction of 1 metre distance and no one could ever get out if they had been first in plus no one could ever pay the driver if payment has to be contactless.

    I can't imagine 1 metre distancing at all times when out in shops, impossible for the small corner shops and the 7/11's, how are the mall security guards going to do the security check at the door, how will Jollibee patrons keep 1 metre distance when queuing, how do you keep your distance in a 25 year old Toyota Corolla taxi and who is going to enforce all this.

    The planned pedestrian bit really sounds like this is a long term control order so I do sympathise with you Jim, it's not the same country at that point.

    I suspect we may see variations on this sort of thing in other countries the question is just how much control they slip into law which then later becomes hard or impossible to remove.
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    Yeah I am on full on red alert too from the moment of opening the door of my flat I want to get out of the building without meeting anyone in the narrow corridors, it is stressful navigating the supermarket and keeping distance and thinking about every action and item touched there is even the thought if I pick something up to read the label I feel guilty if I put it back having touched it.

    I am lucky that I only have to think about me and I only have to maintain the hand/face contact rules until I get back in the door and up to the sink.

    Soft fruit is an issue I really love raspberries but I will keep them a couple of days after I buy them before consuming, just in case, but of course raspberries can turn to mush in the space of a couple of days.

    They've been using the infrared red camera's in the airport in Manila since before my first visit to the country probably since the first SARS outbreak, but there are always problems with these technological whizzy ideas the main one being the incubation period and also asymptomatic carriers who are shedding virus but never have a fever.
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    My wife says they are switching off the free wifi to avoid encouraging many visitors that simply go in for the free Wifi. :D
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    :) they've gone up in the world in Ana's day they went to the mall for free aircon :lol:

    If you have enough money to visit a mall in the first place you can probably afford some data, it's not hard to stay connected in Manila now, last visit I had 1 GB for 7 days for very little money can't remember how much it cost now.
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    Wash your hands in neat antibacterial soap before you get in your car. We do.
    Glove in pocket, unlock door get soap dispense liberally and work your hands till dry.
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    Anti bacterial soaps use triclosan as the active ingredient there has long been serious concern that triclosan was inducing bacterial resistance to antibiotics like amoxycillin.

    Triclosan at the levels used in liquid soaps is a bacteriostatic it does not destroy the bacteria but it stops bacteria reproducing, there is a great deal of controversy around liquid anti bacterial soaps and the active ingredients have zero effect on any virus.

    Soap works by by breaking the lipid layers of the virus apart pretty much any soap will do this, a soap that lathers well is the best for this and when you rinse everything goes down the sink, this is why length of time washing is important and the presence of water is important.

    If you are using a soap gel that contains alcohol at about 70% by volume that will work, I would worry that a soap gel that did not have a decent water or alcohol content would be ineffective at breaking the outer lipid layers of any virus on your skin.

    Personally I would not be trying to protect myself before entering my vehicle I would assume that my vehicle was a contaminated environment to start with and avoid touching my face or eyes during the entire time I was in it.

    I have the luxury of working from home and I am only in my car once a week now so I can assume that surfaces in the car like the steering wheel and and transmission selection lever (mine is an automatic) and the door handles will be sterile next time I use the car, particularly with a leather steering wheel as natural surfaces like that appear to be good at absorbing virus particles and doing that break up of the lipid coating.

    I can't assume that my hands are still sterile when I return to the car after stopping and going to a shop, I wash my hands in the house before I leave the house, my keys will not have been touched for many days when I leave the house, but they are an issue on returning to the flat as they are something I bring back from the car possibly contaminated, so the long and short is that it is at the end of a trip that you need to worry about what is on your hands not really at the beginning of a trip and if you are working in a vehicle it is a lot harder and you have my sympathy as it is not easy.
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    Ryanair chief Michael O'Leary backed the call for temperature checks. "Anybody with a temperature of over 38 degrees will be refused entry," he told the BBC.

    I suppose its a start. A part of a way forward. They may even have to do it manually as tickets are checked before boarding. They do this at a factory that someone we know works at.
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    Well today my negitive e mail came in useful!
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    I agree that dealing with people who are actually showing fever right now is a good idea, it will filter out clear dangers to the rest of the passengers, but it will definitely miss people, I also agree that it should be employed as early as possible preferably before people even set foot in the airport.
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    O’leary was also saying that flying aircraft half or a third full wasn’t feasible and either subsidies would be needed or fares would have to be increased.
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    The days of cheap international flights are over, I don't see it ever getting back to the way it was before.
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    Could be offset a bit by cheaper fuel though....there’s buckets full of it going spare. :D
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    :D

    They hedge, the airlines that is, that means that many of them will have to take delivery at very unfavourable prices because of bets they made many months ago, and now they don't know how much to hedge because they have no idea what demand will be, and then there is hibernation costs, aircraft are not designed to be parked there are going to be huge safety issues when many of these aircraft are un-parked around the world such as the mud dauber wasp blocking the pitot tube on Birgenair flight ALW-301 and a subsequent failure of the captain's air speed indicator.

    What other issues may we have failed to think about when it comes to safety when bringing inactive aircraft back into service, I think there will be many.
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    I don’t know but I bet it is a bit like oil rigs, once mothballed in the sense that nothing works unless they are kept running at a background level during mothballing.
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    SKY NEWS 10.30am report on pinoy prisons,overcrowding,and the dangers of covid.
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