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Coronavirus (Covid-19) in Other Countries (not Philippines or UK)

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by aposhark, Oct 19, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    From Worldometers:

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    I know they could but that applies both ways.

    I mean if the deaths are low in Sweden now, they are low. I know we keep saying they look like they are going through the roof or are about to. But they haven’t since March/April.
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  2. bigmac
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    maybe covid doesnt affect swedes.
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  3. oss
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    The sources that Worldometer uses are different all over the world, they are a screen scraper so basically they are using published reports on specific sets of web sites and directly reading the data from the screen the page and aggregating that data to publish on their site.

    One issue regards Sweden is that currently they only appear to be updating the stats every week or so, that Time article you linked to Mike was damning it is well worth reading all of it.
  4. Anon220806
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    I was in IKEA today to check this out. You know the assistants in there that wear the yellow tops with blue stripes? They all had immunity.

    I was actually in there. The queues were horrendous as if everyone was going mad for meatballs before lockdown.
  5. aposhark
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  6. oss
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  7. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I just hope we can get through this winter and into the summer and, of course, we all hope a good and safe vaccine will be available.

    It seems like life is on hold in many ways and it must be a lot harder for younger people with their energy and motivation to meet members of the opposite sex, or whatever gender that is appealing to them.
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  8. bigmac
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    If they do manage to meet the opposit sex..then full PPE would be very advisable...a total all over body condom even.
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  9. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Standing at least 2 metres apart of course.
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  11. oss
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    I agree with him sometimes, but this time no, there is excess mortality he's wrong.

    He mentions SARS 1 as well, and he should not even be talking about that there was no pandemic or epidemic.
  12. Anon220806
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    His overriding message is that Covid19 is seasonal. He points out that the government are taking the credit for introducing lockdown and reducing infection in the summer when infections and deaths would have come down anyway. And then points out that the increase recently is seasonal. I think he makes that point half a dozen times at least.

    He uses the other virus forms to make his point. Each is seasonal.
  13. Anon220806
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    Meanwhile in Sweden:


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  14. oss
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    Is this seasonal?

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    I listened to the whole video.

    Unless there is cross immunity in relation to other coronaviruses we have to assume zero immunity to SARS-CoV-2 at the start of all this, he says that lockdown has done nothing and that everything you see is the result of seasonality, in that case I would like him to explain the graph above.

    In terms of deaths, the interventions in the form of treatments and care are reducing the death side of the curve by about 30 to 40 percent if you get 100 people dying in March today you would get about 72 people dying today.

    The Time article that Mike linked to makes it clear that the Swedish numbers could be less than trustworthy.

    You know that I mentioned a hint of seasonality in the Philippine data the other day, there is an element of that and it is probably vitamin D related and I would reckon that the appearance of seasonality in some data is likely a result of summer sun and vitamin D at least in part, but it is not the only reason, transmission was reduced by lockdown, the graph above shows that because our graph and the graphs of just about any country that did anything about it don't look anything like the US graph.
  15. Anon220806
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    No that’s related to testing. Mortality was used. Changes in testing levels mean that we cannot use the number of cases data at all.
  16. oss
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    Is this seasonal? :)
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    It's not related to testing, you need to look at testing vs the ratio of positive results.

    I fully understand the relationship of testing to cases, I've posted already about why you can't compare today's cases directly to cases in March because we see a far greater percentage of actual cases now due to much more extensive testing but it is still a fraction of real cases potentially between 10 and 30 percent of real cases that we simply can't see because we can't test that much.

    You can't get the case load if there is not a susceptible population and in the US and here there is clearly a susceptible population, Sweden well let's wait a bit longer they clearly still have some amount of susceptible population.
  17. Anon220806
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    Looking at the USA as a whole gives a fuzzy picture. Seasonality across the USA varies enormously. The southern states have a very warm climate all year round and are particularly arid in some parts. The hottest place on Earth is in Death Valley, California.

    Need to look state by state. Like in Europe.

    I believe the reason why the north of England has been hit hardest is partly climate related. Or it least it is a factor.
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  18. oss
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    Sweden, "New intensive care cases per day", deaths have not caught up yet, the scale is certainly small but then again it is a sixth the size of the UK.

    This is from the site where Worldometer are grabbing their data for Sweden https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

    One more thing Sweden has 593 deaths per million we have 702 deaths per million, Germany has 132 deaths per million, so should we not be asking what Germany are getting right?

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  19. Anon220806
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    But Sweden haven’t applied lockdown in the same way.

    Those Swedish deaths are very low by the way. People including yourself Oss were repeatedly predicting a massive increase. It hasn’t happened.

    I can see a bump in the graph but look at the scale. :lol: An average maximum of 10 per day. That’s hardly comparable with the U.K. at present.
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  20. oss
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    Sunny state, started late but the initial vectors came in through New York and spread from there.

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