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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    The data is based on a person with a body mass index (BMI) over 30, which is classified as obese. The WHO assessed data on around 900 million people in 53 countries in the lead-up to 2016.

    Top ten in Europe. Britain is 3rd out of 44 countries.

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  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    My first mention, I think, of the link to dark skin was this post, I thought I had speculated earlier about Filipinos but I can't find that one yet, this post below was a reply to Mike who had brought up the Vitamin D link to dark skin.

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  3. Anon220806
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    There are many medical professionals who have made a point of studying this relationship and drawn the conclusion too.
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    The odd thing is that people in the likes of the Philippines, those who can afford to, do their utmost to avoid the sun, I suspect that is often true in other tropical countries as well, the general population don't get much choice and likely spend more time in the sun because they have to because of work or day to day life.

    Vitamin D production is greatest at noon and only if a lot of skin is exposed to UVB radiation, when the sun is lower in the sky the UVB is seriously attenuated.
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  5. oss
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    I was looking at exactly these kinds of numbers last night, just playing amateur analyst really and looking specifically at Mexico, Brazil, Peru and countries like France and Germany and checking published levels of obesity, there are clear correlations to obesity but Germany is a bit of an odd one when you try to correlate Covid deaths especially when you compare to France, there are other factors in play here but what exactly they are is hard to say.
  6. Anon220806
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    Meanwhile, in Sweden (explained by a Swede):

  7. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I think my recent, perhaps morbid, thought would be difficult to link to your graphs Jim, but it would be interesting to see the names/race of the deceased to understand further who has been the most vulnerable.
  8. Anon220806
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    This has already been done. On more than one instance.

    https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/bame-covid-19-deaths-what-do-we-know-rapid-data-evidence-review/

    I have been posting material on this for a good few months. Filipinos in the UK have been suceptible.

    https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/c...-nurses-in-uk-now-on-global-radar-05-06-2020/


    “High death rates among Filipino nurses in UK now on global radar“

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/17/fili...rus-death-rate-uk-healthcare-system-12716971/

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...les-53149843&usg=AOvVaw32z_vnnP2rED1KrASKPv7G


    Coronavirus: Filipino health workers 'need extra protection' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53149843
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  9. Anon220806
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    Low Vitamin D status
    “Vitamin D plays an essential role in innate and adaptive immunity. Severe Vitamin D deficiency which has been strongly correlated with adverse outcomes from COVID-19 also has a high prevalence amongst BAME groups in the UK. The majority of those from South Asian of Black backgrounds are either deficient or severely deficient. (11)
    It’s imperative that those from BAME backgrounds know their Vitamin D status but it’s not currently routinely measured in primary care. In those who are deficient measures should be taken to correct it. More sun exposure is required to generate adequate levels compared to those of lighter skin colour. If it is not possible to obtain adequate levels through increased sun exposure or through diet then supplementation should be offered. The most important food sources of Vitamin D are fatty fish, cod liver oil, eggs and mushrooms.”

    https://physicianjnl.net/index.php/phy/article/download/38/60/237


    Filipinos would be lumped into the “Other” category.
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  12. oss
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    Your first link, while the data is old, it is very interesting because it is the exact breakdown that Bigmac has been asking for for quite a long time.

    One thing that strikes me is that when discussing the disproportionate danger of SARS-Cov-2 to ethnic minority populations is the impression that some people get that somehow that means that the rest of us don't have to worry, by emphasizing the danger to the BAME community it seems like we are saying it is no big deal for the white population.

    Now this data below is very old from right at the start of the UK epidemic but what is so important is to look at is the Observed Deaths column, every number is a human life but the reality is that the ethnic populations in the UK are small compared to the so called indigenous white population and the numbers in this picture show the numeric impact rather more clearly than the general talk about risk levels do.

    For all the risks to the BAME community the vast majority of deaths are in the white community.

    from: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/bame-covid-19-deaths-what-do-we-know-rapid-data-evidence-review/

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    I cant make head nor tail of those last 2 columns
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    It gives you the formula in the heading.

    The context is type of community and age.

    Excess deaths = Observed Deaths - Expected Deaths

    Expected Deaths is what you would expect just by age across all age groups.

    so lets take -

    Excess deaths = Observed Deaths - Expected Deaths

    that is -

    -2391 = 13,960 - 16,351

    So fewer whites died than expected by age.

    All of the other communities show more deaths than expected simply by age.

    edit: the last column is the second last column divided by the third last column times 100 to make it a percentage.
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  15. aposhark
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    I saw that 83% observed deaths in British Whites straight away, Jim :eek:
    Why is this percentage not pushed by all media outlets?
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    Because it doesn't sell.

    When we start defining Covid as an ethnic disease, look they are dropping like flies, we are playing into the bigotry that exists throughout society, it becomes their problem it is their illness.

    We can then say they must be using up NHS resources disproportionately because they are more likely to get sick and die, it provides way to continue the demonisation of minorities.

    They are reporting facts yes and those are important facts for ethnic groups to hear, people need to know that they are at greater risk so that they can take appropriate precautions but the way these facts are reported can also affect how they are received and the responsibility for that is on the media because it plays into the narrative that divides us.
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  17. Anon220806
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    I get to see data every day and often post on the day but then as time goes by someone asks for data and I can never find it easily once it’s been and gone.

    As you pointed out, often there are several factors at play and often people want only one factor and cannot take on board several factors at once. In the case of the BAME community in the UK they seem to be more at risk, especially where there are comorbidities at play (second factor).

    Well yes but those in the BAME community are disproportionately high. Why?
  18. Anon220806
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    Dr Aseem Malhotra and Matt Hancock and the BAME community. Back in May. It’s old news.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/coronaviru...hancock-aseem-malhotra-covid-19-deaths-428861

    “Dr Aseem Malhotra, a London-based cardiologist who the Health Secretary asked to advise him on the links between ill health, obesity and the coronavirus, has written to Mr Hancock saying there is a “huge lack of awareness” among the public and scientific community about the role poor metabolic health is playing in the pandemic. It is also “likely” to be the most significant factor as to why those from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) backgrounds are disproportionately affected by Covid-19, he said.“
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    Yeah the search facilities in Xenforo are pretty poor, and it is a problem with all threads that go on for a long time.

    I agree it is the vitamin D and probably diet related in terms of ethnic diets.

    In terms of co-morbidities the genetic differences between various ethnic groups are tiny, I do find it very hard to blame intrinsic genetic differences but I can't rule out that there are some, the biggest genetic difference that is obvious is the ability of these communities to generate large amounts of melanin in their skin and again that is Vitamin D related.
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