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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    You just agreed to that yet Brazil has a very high level of obesity and metabolic syndrome.
  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I was agreeing in the context of the later point that I made which is that half of ICU patients last month were under 40, and the videos were not full of obese patients.
  3. Anon220806
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    It clearly isn’t harmless. But equally clearly it is harmful to the metabolically challenged. So anyone who is metabolically challenged is at a higher risk. That’s it. It’s actually well known now. What isn’t quite so well known now but bear in mind NHS surgeries across the land are waking up to it, is the connection between what we eat and poor metabolic health and what we eat and Covid 19 susceptibility. This is absolute non debatable fact.
  4. Anon220806
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    How do you define obese? Almost everyone I see on TV in hospital recovering from Covid 19 is overweight.
  5. Druk1
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    BMI of 30 or above, I was out with a mate today, I had a coffee, he had 4 cans of soft drink, two bacon buns, a packet of crisps, and a small packet of biscuits, he is clinically obese.
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    CatchFriday British Expat living in Alicante, Spain

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  7. oss
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    That's because something like 60% of the UK is obese, in a forest of Oaks you are going to see Oaks you won't see the odd small cherry tree.

    Throughout this epidemic I've seen, on TV, countless examples of fat people surviving this illness.
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  9. Anon220806
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    From the BMJ


    “Why is obesity a risk factor for severe covid-19?
    In July Public Health England estimated that having a BMI of 35 to 40 could increase a person’s chances of dying from covid-19 by 40%, while a BMI greater than 40 could increase the risk by 90%.1 But why is this?

    Stephen O’Rahilly, director of the Medical Research Council’s Metabolic Diseases Unit at the University of Cambridge, also speaking at the briefing, said, “Two things happen when obesity occurs: the amount of fat increases, but also you put fat in the wrong places. You put it in the liver and in skeletal muscle. And that disturbs metabolism. The key disturbance is that you get very high levels of insulin in the blood.”

    This disturbance is associated with a range of abnormalities, including increases in inflammatory cytokines and a reduction of a molecule called adiponectin that directly protects the lungs, he says.

    It’s also possible that fat increases in the lung itself, which may disturb how the lung handles the virus, he adds. “The simple stuff you read about—big chest, big bellies, et cetera—is all grossly oversimplistic. What is really going on is metabolic, and we know that because if we look at genetic markers for the metabolic disturbance they are much more closely related to the bad outcomes than genetic markers for obesity itself,” O’Rahilly says.”
  10. oss
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    I have seen zero evidence that more people on an LCHF diet are surviving Covid than on any other kind of diet and that is because I don't believe that specific research is being conducted.

    Fixing people's metabolic problems through LCHF works, I know that I concede that, but the idea that everyone in the country needs this kind of diet in order to become or remain metabolically healthy is taking it too far in my opinion.

    It works, it has a lot of benefits, but telling 100% of the population that they should all eat that way is a step too far for me.
  11. Anon220806
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    “The number of obese people in the world total is approximately 2.1 billion, which makes up about 30% of the total population. This number continues to rise. Over 3 million people each year die from obesity. The worldwide obesity rate has tripled since 1975.”
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  12. Anon220806
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    You need to look at the health current stats for the U.K.. Look through the eyes of the average GP and see what is actually causing metabolic syndrome and what is curing it. Once you have done that you will know the answer to your question. All the answers are there Oss. I have posted most of them on here either in posted text, books or videos.

    Why do 100% of the population need to eat lchf? Firstly. Can you think of a reason why not?


    LCHF does not mean no carbs.
  13. oss
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    AKI (Acute Kidney Failure) one of the main risks in ICU's likely because of clotting.

    We agree on most of this John what we don't agree on is that anyone who dies from COVID had a metabolic problem, more and more young people are dying from this.

    And when or if it mutates to be even more deadly, what then when people who survived it before start dying?

    And remember selection pressure for replication is not a problem for this virus it is already very good at finding hosts because of its long incubation period, it does not have to mutate to be less deadly in order to continue to replicate in a population.
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    Cost for one, for many poorer people, and I know you won't agree with this one but meat protein, livestock farming is a lousy way to to create food when you look at climate.

    As a side note have you read any of the published work on the notion that overall food restriction over a lifetime can extend that lifetime substantially, was tested in mice but there is evidence in humans as well and some proponents who are trying it out on themselves.

    In the meantime I need to go out for a walk, I did so yesterday for the first time in a long time and I felt much better for it, I'm only doing a mile to start with but you have to start somewhere :)

    edit: A second point how did Mr Caveman solve the constipation problem, I've solved it now for me, but constipation on this kind of diet is a real problem and that does not sound like we are evolved for exactly this kind of diet, there must have been a lot of cavemen having a real bad time back in the Paleolithic era ;) :D
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  15. Anon220806
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    I didn’t say “ anyone”. What I said was it increases the risk. In other words ones chances are increased. That’s exactly how the medical profession put it.

    It’s a major risk factor.
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  16. Anon220806
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    I am not talking about food restriction. I am talking about food balance.

    Good question. I don’t have constipation if don’t eat so much cheese. :D

    Progress being made. I bet you feel heaps better for it. You can now run up the stairs with a spring in your step. And maybe even burn off a few calories.
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    No I don't but that's because it is looking like after being stuck working on the couch for a year I have a heart problem, going for an echocardiogram in a couple of weeks (ultrasound).

    Yesterday I really felt better today I just got home and I don't feel so good, however my pulse recovery rate is getting better, it is very high when I am walking like 140 bpm at one point 30 minutes ago but drops rapidly which is usually a good sign, when I went to A&E with tachycardia the recovery time was very long as in hours but now it is recovering in a few minutes, I am back down to 90 right now and in a couple of minutes it should be down to 75 bpm.

    Problem is there is a definite link to this fistula problem anytime it gets bad I get this tachycardia issue now, maybe this happened in the past and because I did not have the pulse oximeter I never noticed, who knows.
  18. oss
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    I agree with that, if you are not in peak almost perfect condition this virus will be hard to fight.
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  19. Anon220806
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    This is why I keep active Oss. At least I try. It helps a lot. But at the end of the day, it helps also if one isn’t carrying around surplus weight.

    I notice a considerable difference in myself between prolonged days of inactivity and prolonged days of activity.

    But you cannot runoff a bad diet. As they say.
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  20. Anon220806
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    I come across a lot of resistance to dietary change. People don’t want to restrict carbs. They are generally addicted to them. And like a smoker, defend them to the hilt. They are so convenient too. The processed food industry and sugar industry love it.

    And the pharmaceutical industry love carbs too!

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