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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    The word 'Saliva' appears twice once in the title and once in this quote from the article:
    It is an early study, the test's accuracy is still to be validated, they are talking about a test group over six months.

    That's not existing proven technology, it is an ongoing experiment.

    edit: the first vaccine was designed in about three and half hours after the team that designed it got the first genome sequence, that was in January.

    Designing a vaccine or a test does not mean it works.
  2. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    On the flip side it doesn’t mean it won’t work. I view it as one of several potential ways forward. Something has to be done. We can’t sit and poohoo every attempt for us in the western world to dig ourselves out of this pandemic mess. The saliva test, the antibodies tests and other initiatives need to be put in place as without them there is no hope. We don’t have a vaccine - maybe we can add those plans to the scrap heap too? However I will say again, if our nation and the rest of the western world can find it in themselves to eat a healthy diet then we may not need to spend money on these ambitious and expensive projects. There are a number of people in the medical profession who are saying, right, let’s get the vaccine for Covid 19 sorted out so that we can carry on indulging in an unhealthy diet. :lol:
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    France 11th September, 9,406 new cases and 80 deaths, deaths are always delayed by weeks or even by months but these are more likely to be a sign of changing demographics regards the virus.

    Needs to be tracked for the next couple of weeks but with +9000 cases in a day their R0 is certainly over 1 and we need to be watching what happens next, it is likely still a fairly young demographic but deaths are rising which suggests more elderly people are being infected an that happened probably a couple of weeks back.
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    We can let people die, that'll be you and me at some point and Dom, Keith and Andrew who no longer post here, maybe Rob, maybe Mattecube and Bigmac and a lot of other folk on this forum, as well as in both countries it is not exclusive to Europe.

    I am not suggesting that is what we should do, but some people would, just let the old people who didn't look after themselves for the last 40 years die, it's their fault, they were selfish and did all the wrong **** for 40 years, not my problem.

    We don't need false hope, we need solutions, other countries have never had the kind of lockdown we had, South Korea being one although right now they are being strict South Korea 350 deaths total, are they superhumans is their diet amazing are they all super fit or did they implement really good policies in a very effective way.

    I think that countries like South Korea that have controlled the virus had good public health policies, simple as that, and we sure as **** didn't, our position now is of our own making.

    And the swear words are real this time :) the swear filter well I will leave you to guess the expletives I used :)

    Grasping for solutions like 'moonshots' and vaccines that might never appear is madness, other countries have it under control and may well continue to do so, China the source of this thing is doing ok and it is huge, so we can't imply that small isolated populations like New Zealand are easy, and while we are at it New Zealand is an island nation like us, shouldn't we have an advantage in that case, isn't it easier to prevent spread in a country with a moat?

    The solution is proper quarantine and proper test and trace and an adjustment to the economy that won't penalise people financially because they can't work either due to needing to isolate or because their profession or occupation is impossible right now, think dentists, or home care assistants.

    'Moonshots' are nothing but a PR exercise, it won't happen.

    And if it does happen where does that leave the misery of all the working people forced into austerity for the last ten years because the dogma of this government demanded that there was no solution other than austerity.

    I don't get political very often but this kind of stuff makes me mad, spend spend, spend, throw money at private companies in the hope they come up with an answer when there are obvious proven existing solutions staring everyone in the face and we are supposed to have one of those solutions already 'test and trace' except that the incompetents have ****ed up the implementation completely.
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  5. Anon220806
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    However, isn’t the moonshot idea simply an extension of or replacement for test and trace. The ultimate in or most efficient form of test and trace. Get that implemented yes at cost but nothing will be free, and the virus can be well managed and let people get on with their lives and their businesses and their jobs and their education. All at the same time.

    Time will tell. Here is a company that are onto it:

    https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news...launches-20-second-saliva-based-covid-19-test

    I think it is because I have spent a lifetime in an industry that was constantly being improved by new technology that I have an inbuilt faith in it.

    “Our system allows simple, high speed, reliable and low-cost testing in dynamic environments. In short, with the Virolens system, we can get the world moving again.”
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    On that page Kendrick is quoted in saturated fats. And he is right. If you want the evidence look no further than a surgery up the road from you:




    This isn’t talk. It’s at the sharp end of the business, deprescribing, fixing people and saving the NHS a LOT of money. This GP and his partner are reversing people’s adverse metabolic health conditions on dietary changes that involve consumption of saturated fats. Good idea to bookmark the page. He is achieving this amidst the kind of scepticism you see on Kendricks “Wikipedia” page. Except he is proving the sceptics wrong.

    Deprescribing, saving a lot of NHS money and fixing people. And at the same time rendering people immune from the worst outcomes of Covid 19. RCT? Check it out. Notice the references to low fat diets and lipid profiles. Also cholesterol. No drugs required. Kendrick is probably doing the same up in Scotland.

    You cannot contest the outcomes this GP is producing. They are irrefutable.
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    Your Industry was a multi decade incredible 'moonshot' the oil industry did things that were every bit as hard as going to the moon fraught with danger and required incredible invention.

    I'm not sceptical of the technical aspects of how this could be done, what bothers me is timescales and the political messaging, this is one time where this is clearly political they haven't successfully implemented any technical or procedural solution yet, they couldn't even get PPE supplies right, they signed contracts with an investment firm that had no connection to PPE manufacture, millions indeed hundreds of millions have been wasted so far.

    They've tried to reopen the economy without a working test and trace system that had sufficient capacity for the amount of ongoing infection in the community, a few more weeks of strict lockdown could have brought the R0 and the community infection levels down enough for the testing capacity they had. Again other countries have done it look at Greece, a sixth of the UK population and only 300 deaths, South Korea 51 million people and only 350 dead, Germany 9000 dead bigger population than us.

    Virolens very interesting a digital holographic microscope, it does not magnify a conventional focused image, instead using a reference wave and object wave split from a laser (coherent light source) to create a hologram from which a computer then computationally creates an image of the object, they are literally looking for virus particles of the right shape and this lot have some big name backers. It sounds like it is their software that is making the decision from the calculated images, so I expect the real innovation here is on the software side the AI.
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    Kendrick is down here is he not?

    I'll read the twitter stuff later, I don't really use Twitter, don't have an account.
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    So he is. Macclesfield.

    The Twitter Stuff above is patient data taken by the surgery in Norwood, Southport. Real data and not just from testing under trial. All the data he has observed with scores of patients now turns everything on its head. That includes patient data on cholesterol/lipids. He gets his patients to change their diet in favour of saturated fats and eggs aswell as suppressed carbs. They end up reversing their conditions and being in a healthier state than they have been for decades. They have turned around 83 of their patients in that way now over just a few years. And weaned them off drugs. It’s catching on across the country now and other health care practices are starting to follow along, slowly. If only Matt Hancock would latch on to the savings to be gained within the NHS this way. He has been told but it would take a brave politician to try and mess with the pharmaceutical companies.

    To understand what Unwin is doing you have to forget all you learned about foods and diet from the 80s onwards.
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    I checked it is not public but you do get to read the first couple of paragraphs.

    Here are some public mentions of this peptide related to covid-19

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/is-a-bradykinin-storm-brewing-in-covid-19--67876

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88560


    And a vitamin D connection between bradykinin and Calcifediol, Calcifediol is the hormone we make in our liver when we absorb vitamin D

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lements-Covid-19-patients-intensive-care.html

    This at first glance looks like a Eureka moment, bradykinin regulates blood pressure amongst other things so people with high blood pressure are already at risk, read some of this it makes a lot of sense.
  11. Anon220806
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    Me and Mrs Ash are getting geared up for it. Eggs, mushrooms, oily fish etc.
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    And Imperial College London are estimating that the R0 in England could be as high as 1.7 now.
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    You can't get enough vitamin D from diet alone you need sunshine or a supplement.
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    That would depend on ones diet.

    Our 8 yo has a Vit d supplement but has a diet containing Vit d. Mrs Ash and I are thinking of a supplement as we head into autumn. We have already booked our flu jabs.
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    we eat mushrooms..but what benefit are they ?
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    I refer you back to your Irish chap who had the very good video on Vitamin D.

    But from my own reading 30 minutes in the sun generates thousands of IU of vitamin D, 4000 IU is 100 microgram, 100grams of eggs gives you 1.7 microgram.

    Food is not close to being the primary source of vitamin D.
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    They are Protein a very effective way of consuming protein.

    Protein is hard to metabolise so it helps you burn other foods, combine it with fats and avoiding carbohydrates and you get a good outcome, meat is also protein mushrooms are a good substitute.
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    oh--good. most stuff i like to eat is bad for me.
    so now i just eat what i like.
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    You need protein it is a good thing to consume.

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