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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    There are a lot of obese blokes about too.

    Women have more of an excuse which is gestational.

    By the way, if you were to check what they eat...
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  2. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Up to and including Oct 24th.

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  3. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Again at the start of the year testing capacity was much lower, so the cases uncovered under represented the total actual infections, today we are probably finding 30% to 60% of actual cases back then we were finding 5% to 10% of cases, the result of that is that when reading the data now it looks less fatal than it did but nothing has actually changed, right now we are still at a mid March point on the curve and thank god the doubling period is slower back than it was 3 days now it is about two weeks.

    edit: And the reason the doubling rate is lower is because of the people who are following the rules, masks and distance are helping and with luck the next peak might not be any worse than April-May but it will likely be more protracted.
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  4. Anon220806
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    The deaths per million curves are interesting. Note Sweden’s curve.
  5. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    update. the woman i referred to was admitted to hospital on saturday--having breathing difficulties. she is in intensive care now.

    this is significant--as so far the youngest fatality here so far was aged 59. out of 80+cases. the average age for those was 86.
  6. Anon220806
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    How old is she and what nationality is she?

    Let’s hope she pulls through.
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  7. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

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  8. bigmac
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    early 50's. hungarian i think.
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    it hits home to me because she's had dinner and bbq's with us a number of times over the last couple of years--even stayed over last new year. Its the only person i know who tested positive. the numbers are very few and far between over here.
  10. oss
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    Malcolm, the thing is we are all directly connected to everyone we know and to everyone they know and so on, you are part of a network of related people be it friend, friend of friend etc.

    When there is a virus that is infectious without the person who has it showing any symptoms at all, it will spread through these networks faster than anyone can trace, people can be shedding virus days before they get sick and some of course never get sick.

    You and I we cannot see it spreading.

    Every year I have ended up ill because of my connections at work, I live like a hermit, I have not been in a pub for 4 and half years and I never go anywhere so I am pretty sure that every infection I got was through work in other words through the network of people I know.
  11. oss
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    Yeah I'm noting it :)
  12. bigmac
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    what i dont understand is--if a person tests positive--do they stay positive ? do the medics really know how long the virus stays in a body ?
  13. Anon220806
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    The Solent helps to keep infection transmission at bay. You are lucky.
  14. bigmac
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    yep--by choice
  15. oss
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    You stay positive until either you die or your body designs antibodies (proteins) that neutralise the virus.

    Viruses work by hijacking the machinery in your cells, that machinery is designed to read the code in your DNA and replicate portions of it, we build a lot of the materials we need to live from the code contained in our cells, a virus is a code sequence, the sequence codes for the manufacture of more viruses, when you get infected the virus makes thousands of copies of itself which spill out of the cell and in the process usually kill the cell, those copies go on to infect thousands more cells and so on, it's a chain reaction like an atom bomb, very quickly 1 virus multiplies into millions then billions unless your body's immune system finds a way to stop it.

    There are two ways it stops one is neutralising antibodies, these attach to regions of the viral particles like a key in a lock and prevent the virus from entering new cells, the second way is that your killer T-Cells identify cells in distress from viral hijacking and kill the infected cells.

    Fragments of the virus particles can remain in the blood stream for a long time but these are dead broken up virus, unfortunately the PCR testing process can amplify those fragments and someone who is not infectious or infected any more can look like they have active infection, that is a failing of our toolset for testing people and that is one kind of false positive test.
  16. bigmac
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    so how long does that process take ? are positive people to be isolated or avoided for good ?
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    This is well published, this is the whole point of two weeks isolation if you have been exposed.

    They think the incubation period is 3 to 14 days, that means if you have no symptoms after 14 days in general you are deemed to be clear of the virus and unlikely to infect anyone.

    As for asymptomatic people I don't know, we don't know exactly why they don't show symptoms but we do know they can shed viable virus but we don't know how long for.

    edit: people in intensive care units are still infectious as long as they have symptoms, they are a danger to the people caring for them.
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    The only virus that I can think of where you need to avoid certain types of contact forever is HIV because it does not go away, HIV infects CD4 T-cells i.e. it directly compromises the human immune system, which unchecked eventually kills the infected person through the disease AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome).

    HIV is no longer a death sentence decades of therapeutic research has resulted in treatments that keep it at bay but as far as I know it's not cheap to be on those treatments and people do still die from it.
  19. bigmac
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    just as i thought. not comfortable reading..at all.
  20. Anon220806
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    Sorry to labour this point. They do know why asymptomatic people don’t show symptoms. It’s because their immune systems are healthy and strong. The virus sort of “bounces off them” - not literally of course.

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