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Czech Republic looks to continue recruiting Filipinos

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Nov 10, 2024.

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    Exactly what part of printed circuit board manufacture is not highly skilled?

    The manufacture of the boards is almost completely automated these days, so that leaves PCB design and that's a highly skilled profession.

    My biggest customer was a printed circuit board laminates manufacturer, the whole reason I got involved with the Philippines was because that customer set up a Japanese joint venture in Batangas in 1997 and I was contracted to customise and re-develop the Scottish factory's ERP/MRP software for the factory in Batangas.

    The people that got me involved with the Philippines also set up a PCB design company in Makati which outsourced PCB design work from the UK to the Philippines, the design engineers in the Phils were top notch.

    There are very few if any hand assembled boards these days so I'm curious as to what non or low skilled work of this kind exists in the Czech Republic?
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    Thanks
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    The link indicated the main shortage was for agricultural workers.
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    Yes I know, I was curious as to why it was connected to PCB manufacture?

    And yes I undeleted the thread John (Mattecube).

    Not you John Surrey, I'm just not keen on threads being deleted by anyone, if we say something publicly here or anywhere I don't think any of us should be going around quietly retracting what we said.
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    Thousands of Filipino workers headed to Czechia amid labor
    shortages

    Unemployment in the country is among the lowest in the EU, and companies in various fields are finding it difficult to find new employees.
    Pretty sure the first paragraph states "various fields" and yes the article content then focuses the example of agriculture.
    Pretty sure I refer in the original post as they ( the 2 lads) are involved in the manufacture of circuit boards I don't mention design or suggest designing of such is low skilled!
    What I do know is that neither have had any past experience manufacturing circuits boards in the Philippines and now they are involved in the manufacture not the design.
    They arrived at the place of manufacturing for a 2 day induction and set to work
    So yes their level of involved in the manufacture must be at a level of low skill. Maybe the manufacturing facility is not as advanced as some others.
    Glad you Un deleted the thread as it was an impetuous moment on my part by manufacture but not by design.
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    It's probably custom, to order, short runs, my point was that most of the actual construction is fully automated these days therefore the only real jobs left are the design work, maybe this case is just machine -> inventory -> logistics work.

    I can find one PCB manufacturer in the Czech Republic and it does appear to do custom board short runs so maybe they are the customer for these OFWs.

    Czech Republic population of 10 million, at least they have an electronics industry, we had all that in Scotland with a population of about 5 million and it's all gone, all of it, my customer closed in 2007 and most of the PCB industry in Scotland and almost all of the electronics industry walked out of Scotland.

    Some say that Scotland moved up the ladder to more techincal and skilled jobs in software and design and that 50,000 manufacturing jobs are now replaced with 80,000 'digital' jobs this was back in 2016 and I'm not up to date on the current situation, who knows.

    Interestingly I found that Inventec (Taiwan company) moved out of Scotland to the Czech Republic in 2006 things were almost terminal for electronics in the UK by that time.

    edit: we used to make 30% of all PCs in Europe back then.
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    Or cleaning the Comfort Rooms at the PCB factory... pretty sure that's how my mother would describe that kind of job :D
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    So the social and economic heirarchy of the world has Filipinos close to the bottom, is that it?

    Every more developed economy wants its share of economic slaves and we're all just fine with that, the world order is that there will always be someone that we can underpay for their effort?

    Back in 2020 average Filipino OFW monthly income was 20,000 to 50,000 peso per head with only 3% reporting salary of more than 100,000 peso a month.

    At my daughter's moving up ceremony earlier this year I got into a conversation with the dad of one of the other students in my daughter's year, he's a Filipino, an RPG programmer (IBM AS400) earning around 2500 EUR a month IN the Philippines, he worked abroad in the middle east in years past but on dramatically less money than the exact equivalent western programmer doing the same job on the same project, approximately 1/4 the remuneration for the same work, it's a disgusting treatment of human beings valuing them on their country of origin.

    He's not the only programmer I know who was in the same predicament, suffering the same financial discrimination, this lad below was every bit as talented as me, I remotely interviewed him for one of his first posts in the Philippines in the year 2000, I turned over around £100,000 annually that year in 1999-2000 and earlier years, he was on about 30,000 PHP a month at that time probably less, he later went to work in the middle east after about 2008 but was still earning much less than the equivalent programmer/developer in the west.

    This was Seg in the Horseshoe bar in the centre of Glasgow near Central Station in 2006, he was good enough for us to bring him over to work for a month at a time in Scotland back then.

    Brilliant guy, brilliant mind!

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    A very condescending point of view.
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    I guess I will be party to more factual information on their move early December.
    We have had booked for some time a city break in Prague (Christmas markets) so are trying to arrange meeting up with them.
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    Just for clarity I didn't delete the post because of what I said, I stand by my viewpoint, that being involved in the making( not designing of) circuit boards is a low skilled job.
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    How many Filipinos are in Czech Republic?


    7,300 Filipinos

    To date, there are an estimated 7,300 Filipinos in the Czech Republic. Majority are employed in the processing industry, automotive industry, repairs of appliances, manufacturing, information technology (IT) communications, real estate, health, wellness and household service.15 Mar 2024
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    Thought I was being realistic - the reality is a lot (probably the majority?) of Filipinos are doing the jobs people in the 1st world don't want to do ... cleaning toilets, wiping bums, picking fruit and working the land etc.... others working in the middle east in more technical roles such as finance/IT, from what I can tell, are treated and paid like third class citizens.
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    You seem to be very prickly lately... have you fully retired now or is it the November weather?
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    When was the last time you s stepped into the reality of the jobs market? For instance my sister in law is a nurse my brother in law an anaesthetist they have a daughter who works in forensic science, all 3 are Filipinos, so not really bum wiping jobs! I think you have been away from the UK to long, there is generally parity of pay here regardless of age, race or creed.
    Perhaps you let yourself be swayed by the content of immigration boards!
    In terms of what Filipino's are doing in general in the Czech Republic there is a post above on the subject dated this year.
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    Not prickly.
    Have I fully retired? Nope, and unlike your generalised statement on another thread, re over 50s struggling to find work, I had no issues finding a good steady job that suits me! Curious what it is? You will find it rather ironic.
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