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Do you remember British detained?

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Januarius, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Kudos to you mate.!!!

    Looking forward to reading about the experience.
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  2. Balot
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    Balot Active Member Lifetime Member

    same here:) hope soon will be sorted
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  3. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    My daughters birthday today so won't get a chance to write much today guys.
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  4. TheTeach
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    TheTeach Le MaƮtre Senior Member

    Well done Jim!!

    Al.
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  5. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Double well done, as it seems this is the only photographic evidence of Kevin in jail.
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  6. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    There are certainly other photos Dom but I guess none of the others are explicitly in a jail setting.

    The jail is right next to the fire station and we missed it first time past , I have a couple of equally bad snaps of the outside but I took them from the car as we were leaving as I did not want to draw attention to us in case they thought we were doing a reccy torganise a jailbreak ;) Kevin did ask if I could take him back with me in my suitcase ;) :D

    Still knackered been a long day again today and I think I will just have a beer or two and then get to bed, we are just back from the swimming pool, swimming in a tropical storm :D had the place to ourselves, luckily the water was warm :)
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  7. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    Respect to you oss. :like:
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  8. oss
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    Ok a bit more detail.

    I had planned to go up to visit Kevin more or less from the day I decided to buy the tickets to be here for Janna's birthday after all it is only a few hours and it can make a difference to a poor guy who has been stuck on remand for nearly 3 years.

    We got Ana's neice's asawa, Dhren, to take us up to San Mateo, none of us new the exact way but I had the GPS and a Map of Metro Manila that cut off at exactly the edge of Marikina where San Mateo starts :D

    Dhren recently bought a car after he and Carlotta had spent some time in Europe with Carlotta's mum (she's an OFW working in Europe). He is running the car as a contract hire taxi so I made sure he got paid for his time.

    In the end we set out just after 1pm and it took 3 hours to get up to San Mateo, traffic in Manila is getting even worse than normal.

    The jail is down a back street, you have to find San Mateo Municipal hall first which is on the right as you arrive at the end of a long long road, Gen somthing Luna, this road is the San Mateo end of Dr J P Rizal street that runs north through Marikina.

    Luckily Ana knew Marikina quite well as she lived there with her best friend and her best friends mum back in the late 1980's, so a couple of possible bad turns got stopped.

    Anyway when you find the Municipal hall you take a left at the end of the road and head down a narrow alley to the end of the alley from there you take a right and head steeply down another typical alley, the road is quite steep and you are going downhill, at the bottom there is a right hand bend and just round the corner is the fire station, the jail has a tiny entrance to the left of the fire station.

    As I mentioned before we did not know that Monday was not a visiting day but Ana spoke to the guard and asked explained how long we had travelled, she's good at being persuasive :) anyway they let us pass in the food I had brought from the UK and they brought Kevin out to the gate which is basically a set of open metal bars.

    Kevin had been sleeping and he must have spoken to his dad as he knew who I was in advance, when he got up to the gate the first thing he said was that he had been sleeping and was a bit feverish as he had picked something up recently and that he did not want to pass it on but what the hell everyone gets ill in this country so I shook his hand anyway :)

    We talked a bit about the history of it all and his history in the Phils and before in England, he really misses home, as he said it takes something like this to realise what you are missing at home in the UK, I guess that is fairly obvious but it takes each of us to realise it personally.

    He really misses his kids, there was a danger at one time of them being handed to a very distant member of Charlene's family he went into some detail but it is not the kind of stuff that should be repeated publicly, not that it's a great secret or anything just that it is private stuff that I would not repeat about my own family.

    There were a few conversations like that which is not the kind of stuff I would repeat in a public forum which in essence leaves me a bit short of new news as such.

    He's an easy guy to talk to, had a similar life to many of us worked hard when he could, got his fingers burned once before in a different business he tried to start in the Phils up north and then moved south (I think some of this has been reported before). After moving to Manila he tried to start a small restaurant but the numbers didn't stack up as the location just did not work, and somehow they got into the idea of using the location for the business that ended up in him and Charlene now being in jail.

    He said he gets on fairly well with the other inmates but he has his tantrums now and again (who wouldn't) and sometimes he gets a bit loud with the other inmates, I suspect he is just doing his best to survive in a very difficult situation, he's punched the wall more than once, hurting himself in the process. They swap foods inside so as to get a bit more varied diet he gets some meat now and again this way instead of the fish which is not his favourite.

    I took him a few foods from Britain some HP Sauce (in a plastic bottle fortunately) he smiled at that :) I took some simple reheat meals as well, Steak in Guinness, meatballs, meat soup and so on, all British stuff, I have a big baggage allowance :) unfortunately I wasn't thinking too clearly as I was a bit rushed at the last minute before my flight and included tinned items which are not allowed because of the metal, I hope he manages to get the contents off the guards as he licked his lips when he saw the tins of Princes corned beef :)

    I took a couple of shirts, my size is too large but I won a Carling T-shirt in my local which I thought might fit him.

    To be honest he has too much stuff already they are only allowed 2 bags but he has 12 that he has to cart around with him.

    He has passed on his books to the reasonably good English speakers and told them to pass them on to others once he is hopefully out of there.

    He is largely focusing his waking hours on the cases in one form or another either reviewing the court papers or writing letters to the court and so on, he does spend a lot of time sleeping which is basically to black out the realities of the situation, I would do the same to be honest.

    Physically one cannot help but notice that he has to view things from 4 inches away in order to read anything but he did say he didn't have his contact lenses in so I guess maybe not so bad when he has them.

    While he is coherent he was drifting a bit back and forth and he did mention depression which he is trying to seek some help with later this week I believe, he looked at times like he was hollow, I mean just empty there were moments when I felt I was looking at a very very lonely depressed sad man, but he fought it back and could return to being focused again. At the same time you have to remember he was feeling feverish so I may have misread his state of mind.

    He has another case today so fingers crossed that this gets dismissed as well, after that the courts over here apparently shut down for a month for some kind of inventory taking, so the next hearing and I think final hearing is a month from now in August sometime.

    Ana stayed with me for a while during our conversation but she gets shy sometimes and was a bit quiet, I had to stand in a puddle for the whole hour in my sandals, so my feet ended up soaked :D I let Ana go back to car after about 20 minutes as I could see she was struggling a bit to keep up with our conversation and she was standing in a puddle as well though not as bad as mine :)

    So we talked about a lot of stuff came to about 5pm and the guards said time up, I asked them if I could take a picture but they told Kevin to go ask the warden I think, the warden came out and took my camera but very unprofessionally I still had it set for the night before so the shot got taken with far too high an ISO setting which made for a very poor noisy photo, at least they gave me my camera back :)

    During the whole time a lot of folk were coming up to the gate to hand in stuff for the inmates a few times the gate was opened while Kevin and I were standing there, must have been hard on him, I think it would have been for me.

    At the end Kevin thanked me for visiting and as he said it was amusing given the history of the Scots, the English and the French that his visitors had been two Scots and a Frenchman :D I think the Aussie must have been an ex pat Scot.

    Anyway he was really grateful for the visit, I wished him well and all the best of luck with the next couple of hearings shook his hand and said I hoped one day we could sit down and enjoy a beer or two, Kevin said oh yes please a really cold beer :D and at that I shook his hand and said goodbye.

    I will post pretty much this post on the yahoo forum as well, hope I've not got too many typo's I'm still a bit too tired to go back over it all again :D

    Cheers for just now guys.

    Jim
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  9. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Hopefully they will both be free soon.

    Thanks Jim.
  10. florgeW
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    florgeW Lady Mod Senior Member

    thanks for the update Jim.
  11. charlene taylor
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    Thank you for giving kevin hope
    Just wanted to say you had really made his day happy.....i and kevin will never ever forget you.
    Thanks so much
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  12. charlene taylor
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    I still remember you... I am so grateful in spite of long trip and not knowing what condition the place was..you visited...
    Thank you for doing such a great effort on visiting us....
    It made me cry reading this...memories came back, the nightmare in that jail, the times when i see kevin syarving and i cant do nothing...the waiting of trial, and the disappointments
    But what made me cry the most is YOU..i cried for knowing someone cared that much for us...
    Thank you
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  14. Kevin Taylor 1965
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    Kevin Taylor 1965 Member

    Always be afraid of the police, the immigration police are worse.
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  15. Kevin Taylor 1965
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    Yes David i remember that day so vividly, thank you so much.... And yes it was so ironic you being french... On charlenes injuries that day, i did have a chat with the guards after that and i stopped that punishment. On your way out do you remember a guy holding his hand out to you asking for handa.. I didnt like that and i did let him know... Yes it was a grand day as they say and thanks so much for the visit.
  16. Kevin Taylor 1965
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    Jim i remember you mate.... Yea was a very nice day. Sorry about the puddle, didnt know you was stood in one until the end haha... I hope your ok. Thanks again, meet up for that cold lemonade as i dont drink anymore.
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    A friend of mine was released from Bicutan detention centre maybe 2 1/2 years ago,he had been held there also for 2 1/2 years fighting extradition on money-laundering charges to the states (a british judge threw the the case out of court when he got back to London),the south china morning post wrote a story on him,he tells some terrible stories including finding a guy hanging,glad its all over kevin,a terrible ordeal.
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  18. Kevin Taylor 1965
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    Oh yes i heard about the guy hanging, that was upstairs in the Muslim quarters, im downstairs with most of the Brits, I'll ask Gary if he new him, he's been here over four years.

    There was also a guy who died under the stairs here, the guards thought he was asleep and left him there for three days until anyone noticed.

    Another guy an American died last week, he was suppost to have tb, but there's no one here that has tb and he didn't come in with it. The guards left him and he was found leaning against the wall. The guards pronounced him dead and called the police, when the police arrived they found a pulse, the police called a medic and by the time this all happened the guy died. What got us also was where the guy was found leaning against the wall, the guards were having a BBQ less than five meters from him and they didn't notice he was in distress.

    The guys name was Billy, they say he really died from the lack of care.
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  19. Druk1
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    The guy who died under the stairs was norwegian I think?I can find out who Gary is next week when I am back in UK,he certainly knows gypsy and nick spannos,chin up you will be blighty bound soon,I was locked up in Pakistan but only for a very short time till I paid my "fine" I wouldn't have liked an extended stay.
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    You still in there kevin?Any news on when your heading back to blighty?
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