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Exiled: the disturbing story of a citizen made unBritish

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by KeithAngel, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. graham59
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    graham59 Banned

    Not just wild. Fanciful and ridiculous.
    Why do some people insist on going to the far end of a fart in their attempts to brow-beat others who dare to have a different opinion ?
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  2. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Then they had better be terrorists, preferably threatening to injure, maim or kill innocent Brits enjoying a pint or caught up in our capital city's morning crush hour. Or maybe threaten a minority group at the place of their religious worship. Such persons would find MPs more than willing to invite them for drinkies at the Terrace Bar at the House of Commons and fight their corner.

    I am of course being supremely sarcastic but my suggestion is no more outrageous than your own attempt to silence those of us whose views are not held by you.
  3. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I think quiet a lot of brits hold similar views and in your case as a non Brit unlikely ,but not impossible especially if you drive.

    All citizenship is "aquired" just depends on local rules/interpretations.

    Following H.O. "rules" you are advocating A Brit born here of British parents with a second (or the ability to acheive) nationality could have their citizenship stripped and be deported.

    Whilst I dont take that line myself Im not aguing for anyone else to either! just to be more informed of the curent situation and direction of travel

    Im certainly not trying to silence anyone.

    Nor do I think my example is so far fetched
  4. Markham
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    Are you seriously suggesting that anyone with British citizenship could lose that citizenship upon conviction of a motoring offence? I guess that if one is a hard left conspiracy theorist whose biggest wet dream ever would be the election of a Marxist government, such a punishment might be imagined. After all, it bears a strong similarity to that old Soviet favourite, exile to a Gulag.

    Ironic tbat your warning comes from someone who actively supports the very people who might eventually institute such a programme. For they would be the only grouping who might be mad enough and bad enough to do so.

    I really think there are more important things to worry about, things tbat are in the here and now.
  5. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    Lets not discuss the “merits” of particular parties and keep on track with the subject at hand.
  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Read my post again I was answering the implications of Doms post for his first sentence

    and then his third
  7. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    There is an assumption here that democracies are always benign an assumption that I have always been wary of, luckily in my life for the most part this democracy has not been as bad as it might have been.

    I could label some historic 'groupings' as 'mad' and 'bad'.

    Given the direction the discussion could take if anyone want's to expand on the delicacy of democracy they can take it to the politics section, the subject under discussion here on the other hand is something that it is important for all to at least be aware of.
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  8. Bootsonground
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    Another quick question.. How would the British Government confirm that a British kid or his now British Mother have dual nationality or not?
    Would they have to request the data from the Philippine embassy?
    Good luck with that!!
  9. Aromulus
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    I did mention "crimes"........
    But as you have opened a door about driving... Yes, that could be included if the driver in question, through lunacy, disregard to road rules and excessively speeding causes the death of innocent people.
    I believe this enters within the "crimes" I mentioned.
  10. oss
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    They would know in my case through the registration I made at the embassy in Manila and the records of the issue of her first passport.
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  11. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Too much paranoia.

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  12. Bootsonground
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    One thing Ive learned over the years is that Philippine bureaucracy is complicated because it is disorganized and dysfunctional.
    I have to report each year and pay 310 Peso..They give me a receipt and ask me to keep it.. I have 12 such reciepts which I have to show them each year..If I lose them and cannot produce on any given year I could be fined for each receipt lost or even deported.. Do they keep records? Perhaps somewhere.. Will they look for them?
    Hell no.
    You think they know who is a dual national?
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  13. oss
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    British Embassy in Manila, who I hope would have a computer system into which they entered all the information supplied.

    If they are that scatty same as Philippine bureaucracy then maybe I have bigger things to worry about like they might just forget she is a British Citizen :D

    My daughter's first passport states on it that it was issued in Manila.
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  14. Anon04576
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    I'm thinking if the British government made a request as to someones nationality, indeed any nation, Pinas could easily identify that person. PSA would have that info in seconds flat.
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  15. Bootsonground
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    My kids are all Brits-Fil dual.
    Their passports expired about 4 years ago..
    I inquired about them leaving with us on their Brit passports back too UK for a holiday.. I was told that they would be stopped for overstaying..I pointed out that I could show their birth certs and dual citizen docs at the airport..
    No go..
    We had to travel to Mindanao earlier this year to apply for their R.P passport renewals..
    Computer data maybe on a system here somewhere,but it it is so fragmented that no one could ever find it..
    You want to bet I`m wrong?
  16. oss
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    Ana has been travelling in and out of the Philippines on her Korean passport for years now, she presents her BI nationality reacquisition document along with her Korean passport in each direction although she keeps the BI document secret at the Korean end, never been questioned and although I have not inspected her stamps to determine if they let her in on a BB stamp, I doubt they are BB stamps. I am sure that at least once there was a greater than one year gap between her arriving in Manila and leaving again.

    She doesn't have a Philippine passport because they won't give her one until she puts in the final documents to complete her 1997 Korean divorce which she still hasn't done.
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  17. Bootsonground
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    Without all the facts I have no idea what her status here is on her visits back.. If she produced a re acquisition document,then perhaps without an R.P passport they issued a BB stamp? If that`s the case,any stay longer than one year will require tourist visa extensions.
    We were told specifically that they will require valid passports..
    In actuality,we may or may not have got away with it..Not worth the risk IMO.
  18. Markham
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    I take your points, Jim, and agree with you where democracy is concerned.

    As things stand, there's a far greater chance of a dual national British Filipino losing their Philippine citizenship than their British one. Other than by birth, it is almost impossible for a foreigner to acquire Philippine citizenship - I have not heard of any Brit receiving such a grant in living memory, but I concede that there may be one or two. Given the challenges posed by Islamists and returning Jihadis, none of whom are currently or ever likely to be threatened with the loss of citizenship in the future, this is not an issue of import to me. But I do have a growing list of candidates!
  19. oss
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    Yes I agree it's not worth the risk when there is even the smallest chance of a problem.
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  20. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    This is interesting here: http://accralaw.com/publications/how-reacquire-filipino-citizenship

    It regards Filipinos who take an oath after getting citizenship of another country.

    "Philippine citizenship will not only be reacquired by the applicant, but will also be acquired by his unmarried child, whether legitimate, illegitimate, or adopted, who are below eighteen (18) years of age. Those who retain or reacquire Philippine citizenship under the law shall enjoy full civil and political rights and be subject to all attendant liabilities and responsibilities under existing laws of the Philippines and certain conditions."

    So, it looks like if you take the oath, your children will also get Filipino citizenship.
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