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Freedom of Movement

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by Anon220806, Sep 19, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Johnie Glassback? What / who is that?
  2. Anon220806
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    In the oil and gas industry, agency work was quite common. But those people earned a lot more per day than those working directly. They were known as “consultants”. I use the past tense as it’s largely in the past now.
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    The lazy who are happy on the social, can't bend their back to a days work as it would break
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  4. oss
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    Yes a derogatory term, and how many of the newly unemployed in this disaster will be tarred with that label in the near future, Thatcher did exactly that in the 1980s , blame the victim, I don't expect it to be any different now.
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    Still common in IT, the higher earning ones will use the title Consultant, personally I never worked through an agency after starting my own business, my only agency contract was a couple of months at the start of 1993, but from 1996 I did use the title Software Consultant amongst others for many years.
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    Consultants in the oil and gas industry were either specialists who ventured out on their own or worked through an agency or at the other end of the spectrum, heavy labourers working through an agency. Both ends of the spectrum were known as “consultants”. But to give you an example a specialist Consultant Micropalaeontologist at the rigsite would command £1000 per day circa 2005 so would not have needed to work many days a month to earn a crust.
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    £1000 per day circa 2005

    and how do they justify that ? no wonder fuel is so expensive.
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    In software in the year 1999 Siebel Consultants, basically Visual Basic and Javascript programmers were earning about £1000 to £1500 a day working as contractors for IBM, by 2005 that had dropped to around £500 - £600 a day but they still billed by the hour, I avoided CRM systems like Siebel but I had a very good friend who was on contract to IBM at various locations in the UK and he made a small fortune in the space of 22 months.

    Rates are not as high these days and there has been a concerted effort to treat the industry as de-skilled and in some sense it is with the huge number of clueless web programmers out there.

    They have a skill that is in very short supply, most of those with the skill won't work for less and the industry they work in is wealthy enough to pay it.

    How do the CEOs and other executives in the banking and other industries justify the ridiculous amount they are paid.
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    There aren’t many of them about for a starters. And they provide very important information to their clients. I will spare you the details. It’s a supply and demand thing, bit like premiership footballers wages.

    The flip side is of course that those days are in the past. For now at least.
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    and how about those CEO's of some charities ? when i see some salaries paid it puts me off any form of donation.
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    Yeah I don't like that either.

    I don't approve of charities in general but I also think there are at least two classes of charities, there are charities that are there simply because they are essential and are really providing something that should be part of the collective tax system, homelessness for instance should not exist in the modern world, those charities allow government to abrogate our collective responsibility for those issues.

    And then there are other charities like the RSPCA which could arguably be done away with with proper laws and law enforcement but I don't object to their existence.

    Then you have the special cause charities things that would be desirable in a wealthy enough society but which are dealing with say illnesses like cancer which is essentially a disease of good health and long life in many cases, DNA transcription will eventually fail in anyone we have to die of something, I approve of those sort of charities where people have reasons to want to support a specific cause where society in general should not be expected to solve the problem.

    But are charities abused by some, I think they probably are.
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  12. Druk1
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    Advert on TV :)
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    Do we think the barriers to free movement will be effective or will there be ways around the changes? I have been hearing stories that imply that there will be more than a few tunnelling under the wall.
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    It will keep the majority out, the country is groaning at the seams, ending FOM will hopefully stem the rising tide, as the Tesco motto says "Every little helps" :)
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    Another sector of the employment scene that will be affected by the shut down of free movement will be the care sector. A lot of care staff are eastern europeans. There is always a shortage of staff..so the situation can only get worse.
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    Brexit has already happened what are you counting down to now.
  20. Druk1
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    FOM it's the final chapter.

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