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  1. Bootsonground
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  2. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest

    I`m gonna crack open 2 bottles of SMB grande on the strength of this news.. Cheers!!
  3. graham59
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    graham59 Banned

    Wasn't he a murderer (allegedly) ?
  4. Bootsonground
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    I`m sure they didnt call him "The Butcher of the Bogside" for nowt!!
  5. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Allegedly................
  6. Jim
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    Jim Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    May he rot in hell, murdering scumbag.
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  7. Aromulus
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    I do agree, it could not have happened to a more deserving person...
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  8. Bootsonground
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    RIP to Louis Mountbatten and the 18 British soldiers that were murdered hours later whilst this evil cun: was in charge of the IRA.
    May he burn in hell repeatedly starting today!!
    Cheers!!
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  10. Aromulus
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    jeremy Corbyn need a good spanking......

    On the othere hand, may he have a long and distinguished career as the leader of the Liebour Party......
  11. Markham
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    As does Tony Blair, Nicola Sturgeon, the BBC, the Guardian ... and for the same reason.
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    I find it abhorrent that this murdering coward is getting so much air time on the news, you cannot get away from it.

    A couple of sentences on the news would have been more than enough.
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  13. PorkAdobo
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    There won't be many of us in Manchester who will mourn McGuiness.

    My family is Irish descent and I have relatives who were IRA members who fought before the Irish Free State was formed. None of my relatives today had any sympathies with how the IRA conducted its business from the 60s onwards. Grandma today describes herself as English with an Irish accent.

    However, for the sake of peace in Northern Ireland, it is probably best if the media bites its tongue. We all know he did a lot of terrible things. The past is in the past.
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  14. graham59
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    I have recently got all the necessary papers together to claim Irish Citizenship (through my Co.Wicklow Grandma).

    She was a Protestant, but always said that the locals there always got along, whatever side of the church divide they were born into.

    Naturally, as an Atheist I can think of better things to kill for. :rolleyes:
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    I appreciate this is an incendiary subject but anyone with a modicum of knowledge of history of the island of Ireland will be aware of the entrenched discrimination and sectarianism which begat the Civil Rights Movement in Ulster in the late 1960s

    It was against this background that individuals such as McGuiness, Adams, Devlin rose in prominence. As an ex military man I'm sure 'Boots will recall the reason the British Army first arrived on the streets of the Bogside and other parts of the Six Counties - to protect the Nationalist / Catholic population against pogroms carried out by the majority Loyalist / Protestant populations. With the UDR / B Specials tacitly supporting through turning a Nelsonian eye.

    It was the realisation on the part of the British military and Establishment that the PIRA could never be completely eradicated - coupled with a parallel appreciation by the Nationalist movement that Armed Struggle could never - in of itself - deliver the sought after unification of Ireland that directly led to the Good Friday Agreement and the uneasy peace that's saved thousands of lives since 2004.

    It's a strange day indeed when the son of Rev Ian Paisley (whilst acknowledging his past) said "Yet he became the necessary man in government to deliver a stable and necessary peace, and that's a complex and remarkable journey."

    I expect in the longer term that history will be kinder to his legacy.
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  16. Mattecube
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    you have to ask why he became the necessary man to deliver peace! The answer lies with the fact that recognised the net was closing in on him and he negotiated away his past to become some sort of tosser (oh no hang on he was always one) and cuddled up to the peace process to protect himself.
  17. Scotschap16
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    That's certainly one interpretation Mattecube. I don't know how much you know about Britain's colonial rule in the island of Ireland (The Plantation, Cromwell, Drogeda Massacre, Croke Park, Partition, Bloody Sunday etc etc.) but many would suggest it's not a noble history.

    One may disagree - fundamentally disagree - with the means by which a subjugated people seeks to free itself but as I alluded to in my last post the British military was brought into Ulster to protect the Nationalist population from predation by militant Unionist thugs. There are pictures of Catholic women making tea for the squaddies. It soon changed of course as the discrimination (in employment and housing opportunities) enshrined in the Stormont administration continued.

    Naked gerrymandering of the council wards in Derry / Londonderry denied the Nationalist majority in the city fair representation. (Google if you doubt this.)

    It was again this backdrop that Martin McGuiness rose to prominence -- supported by the community from which he came.

    I hope one day that Ireland will be reunited - but only with the majority of those living there - (Unionist and Nationalist) voting for it. This would right the wrong of Partition but for various reasons I can't see it happening in my lifetime ( although Brexit presents an interesting situation)

    I regret every single innocent casualty (on all sides) flowing from the conflict in Ulster. Furthermore I fully understand the feelings of revulsion felt by many after the bombings and shootings. (Incidentally, significantly more non combatents were killed by Loyalist paramilitaries -- targeting victims solely on their Catholic religion.)

    Someone mentioned McGuiness as The Butcher of The Bogside....If you really want to find out about the activities of psychopathic killers I suggest you Google The Shankhill Butchers - but I caution a strong stomach is needed. These sub-humans tortured and mutilated Catholics for fun.

    As we all know one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. The Nazi occupiers of France in WW2 deemed the brave Resistance operatives "terrorists" and ruthlessly hunted them down. More recently in South Africa Nelson Mandela and his ANC & PAC comrades were treated as terrorists by the apartheid regime in Pretoria -- for fighting against oppression and institutionalised racism.

    One thing I've learned as I grow older is that issues are not black or white - life is much more grey and nuanced.

    I respect your views - and those of all the other posters on this thread - but I would suggest there might just be a bigger picture here.

    All the best.

    Gerry
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    a very good read--by one of my favourite writers---is Trinity ..by Leon Uris.
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  19. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Like you I regret all those innocent casualties and those of my colleagues who fell in the troubles.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/army_corporals_killed_at_ira_funeral
  20. Scotschap16
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    Hi Bigmac - I'm looking at a copy on my bookshelf as I type this! Fine piece of "faction". I would also thoroughly recommend Richard English's "Armed Struggle" - a dispassionate tour de force.

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