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Home Office to extend trial of post-Brexit registration system

Discussion in 'Europe Wide Visa Discussions' started by KeithAngel, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. KeithAngel
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  2. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    So EU citizens can register their non-EU spouses for permanent registration in the UK, while UK citizens have to continue with financial requirements and massive visa fees?

    Nice one.
  3. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I agree its disgusting how well we European Citizens are treated by our Government :)
  4. Markham
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    Do you think EU citizens get better deals from their own governments? Not true. A German, living in Germany, has to pay substantial visa fees to import his non-EU wife/fiancée. So does a Parisian, Dutchman, Maltese ....
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  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    However in Portugal they transposed European Rules to grant equality to their Citizens

    and more importantly Europeans, including you have no such problems "importing" your wife:)
  7. PorkAdobo
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    Out of interest, do you know the costs for the French or German equivalents of fiancé/marriage/settlement visas?

    I had a brief search, and costs ranged from zero to €75. Both had similar complaints about (unnecessary) complexity, lack of accountability and processing time.

    I'm sure there could be hidden costs - such as the health surcharge - which isn't immediately obvious when looking at UK costs.

    I'd be slightly surprised if other major European countries (not interested in Latvia or Portugal, for example) rivalled the UK in this respect.
  8. Maharg
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    I've no problem with EU citizens being treated well, but they shouldn't be treated better than UK citizens in the UK. It should be the same for everyone.
  9. Maharg
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    My wife's sister lives in Germany. Getting the initial visa isn't so expensive, but they are very strict there when it comes to permanent residency. The German test is very strict. She has lived there about 10 years, but still hasn't managed to pass it, so is still on visas, while my own wife, who came to the UK a lot later, is now a UK citizen.

    Also, when she applied for the visa there were actually officials from the German Embassy who came to visit the family and to check up on her background.

    She has also been trying to get her daughter over to Germany for a long time and still hasn't managed it.

    It seems easier for German citizens to bring a partner to the UK than it does to bring one to Germany!
  10. Markham
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    The EU's Freedom of Movement rules do not necessarily apply in instances where non-EU citizens apply to enter a member nation for the purposes of, say, marrying and living with a citizen of that nation or to study.

    You (deliberately) confuse that with the rights EU citizens have with regard to their non-EU partners when moving to, working and living in another member nation.
  11. Markham
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    For which you can thank your Labour comrade, Tony Blair :devil:.
  12. Markham
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    €75 for an Entry Visa sounds about right but the raw visa cost is irrelevant: that's as nothing compared to the costs associated with necessities such as mandatory health insurance, application costs for national ID cards and residence permits, work permits, language requirements and so on.

    We have several Filipino friends who have Maltese husbands and they're all on a lengthy and expensive journey towards permanent residency status and eventual citizenship. One of their number has been on that road for ten years and may get her PR stamp next year.
  13. KeithAngel
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    Thats a political choice of the UK government to discriminate agains UK Nationals rather than support its Citizens choices after all there is no need to allow any resource to public funds from our Wives who mostly work and contribute to our economy.
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  14. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I dont confuse anything since I have the t-shirt on unstanding 2004-38

    How so and My?
  15. KeithAngel
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    I find it hard to believe that failure after ten years is anything other than lack of application
  16. Markham
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    Which Prime Minister and of which political party negotiated and signed the Treaty of Rome, also known as the "Constitution for Europe", in 2004?
  17. Maharg
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    Yes, I agree it is the fault of the UK government and it is they who have decided this. I don't understand why non EU spouses of EU citizens should get preferential treatment over spouses of UK citizens, however, if we are no longer in the EU.
  18. Maharg
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    To a degree, yes. But in the UK the English test is a doddle.

    In Germany you have to learn grammar and do a written test. They are much more stringent there with everything.
  19. Markham
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    You'll have to ask Tony Blair why he decided against recognising British citizens on a par with EU nationals. If I recall correctly, there were elements of the EU Human Rights legislation that Blair did not want incorporated in our Human Rights Act and by having a distinction between British and EU citizenship he was able to achieve that.

    But there is reciprocity until 29th March: British citizens livintg in other EU countries can bring their non-EU fiancées and wives to live with them on Family Reunification Visas at zero cost. That may all end in April even though May has guaranteed EU migrants in the UK that their future is safe.
  20. KeithAngel
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    You didnt understand my post then no problem :rolleyes:

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