1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Illegal Immigrants must not be called "Illegal Immigrants" says Euro human rights chief

Discussion in 'Rant and Rave' started by Markham, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    Nils Muiznieks is the Council of Europe commissioner for human rights who has declared that the term "illegal immigrants" must not be applied to those who enter Britain illegally. He says the descriptor is "dehumanising" and must be replaced with "irregular migrants".

    Mr Muiznieks is not British, he's Latvian and therefore English is not his first language. He will therefore not appreciate that "illegal immigrant" is actually no more dehumanising than "irregular migrant" but is a far more accurate label. "Irregular" does not connote any form of law-breaking and indeed "irregular migrant" does imply a greater right of residence than "illegal migrant".

    This unelected mandarin criticises our elected government's mandate to reduce immigration levels which he says is "restrictive" and accuses Cameron and May of "alarmist rhetoric". He said Right To Rent rules, under which landlords must check new tenants by taking copies of documents such as passports or ID cards, "criminalised migration" and he expressed "grave concern" this degraded illegal immigrants by depriving them of their right to adequate housing. So, according to this wunderkind, no migrants are illegal and Britain must house all-comers.

    He also attacked the £18,600 earnings level for sponsors of settlement visas to non-EU nationals by saying it contravenes their right to family life. Indeed it does but I don't recall there being any howls of protest when the Blair sought and obtained certain opt-outs from the European Human Rights legislation, including this one; also Britain is not alone in differentiating between EU and non-EU citizens seeking to settle and challenges to this policy have apparently failed in the Supreme Court.

    Unlike Muiznieks, Cameron and May were elected by the populus and whether you agree with it or not, the government was elected on its manifesto pledge to reduce immigration. So here we have yet another example where unelected European bureaucrats, who are additionally not citizens of this country, dictating to our elected leaders.

    With Sir Richard Dearlove, the former head of MI6, saying that Britain would be safer outside the EU than it is within it, I no longer see any compelling reasons for Britain remaining a member of the EU.
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 24, 2016
  2. subseastu
    Offline

    subseastu I'm Bruce Wayne Lifetime Member

    Immigration is always going to be a big issue for some on the whole stay / leave Europe argument. And while it is important it is in truth really only a small part of a much larger complicated issue. Oh yes and this bloke clearly needs to have a word with himself
  3. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    What do we want - do we want a democracy where those we elect are responsible for the country's legislation or do we want, what is in effect, a dictatorship where laws are made by unelected officials?
  4. subseastu
    Offline

    subseastu I'm Bruce Wayne Lifetime Member

    I must admit I'm still on the fence about this, its a hugely complicated issue
  5. walesrob
    Offline

    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    Call it what you like, label it anything you want but at the end of a day, a spade is a spade.

    Mark is right, an un-elected official from another country telling us how to speak and act, thats not democracy.
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. subseastu
    Offline

    subseastu I'm Bruce Wayne Lifetime Member

    I wonder how other people on here feel about the whole in/out argument?
  7. Timmers
    Offline

    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I will be voting for the door, immigration is my main reason, at the end of the day Turkey will eventually join the EU flooding the UK with a lot more Muslim undesirables.

    When Muslim immigrants enter the UK they bring with them their religion and the problems that go with it as we witnessed once again only a couple of days ago in Brussels.

    The whole idea that so many countries in the EU can agree on anything that suits all member nations is impossible, its time we made our own decisions that are for the good of the UK without having to try and appease all the other countries in the EU.

    The EU is a far cry of when it was established just with a few countries, its now too big to be managed in any orderable fashion.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    There are separate issues here, Tim, economic migrants from eastern Europe should not be lumped-in with the hordes of mostly economic migrants from the middle-east and north Africa who often try to enter the country as ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

    Many of the eastern Europeans that have come to Britain have been a positive advantage in that they get jobs and contribute through taxes and other means. True enough their presence has kept wages low and they compete with those Brits who couldn't be bothered to learn much at school for menial jobs (which most Brits won't do in any case!). They integrate well into society and make few, if any, cultural demands on us.

    The same can not be said for many of those who have come to our shores from north African countries, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and other tin-pot middle eastern countries. Muslims in particular do not integrate with western Christian communities. Some aren't even in favour of Blair's multiculturalism and believe that everything should be Islamic. To partially appease them, Blair permitted Sharia Courts to be established. The disaffected are preyed upon by radical Imams who preach that they, the Muslims, are being let-down by Britain (or France/Belgium/Germany/Holland/etc) and that the country won't become an Islamic heartland any time soon. The only way for that to happen is to fight the Christian Crusaders (us) with the bomb and the bullet. Our mistake is that we gloss-over this aspect of migration, sweep all the bad bits under the carpet and hope it will all go away; all by itself. Magically disappear. But we're not as bad as the Swedes - or Mrs Merkel and the German government - who are in complete denial.

    It is ironic, isn't it, that the de facto capital city of the European Union is also the European Capital of Islamic Extremism. And Tusk, Juncker, Cameron, Hollande and all the rest of that motley crew are in complete denial.

    Poland agreed to accept some 7,000 refugee families. The recently-elected Polish government yesterday cancelled that offer made by its predecessor. Poland joins a growing list of former Soviet countries who will not be welcoming the migrants.
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 24, 2016
  9. Markham
    Online

    Markham Guest

    You want another reason why Britain should leave the EU?

    The French now prohibit the use of X-Ray machines to search for illegal immigrants hiding in vehicles bound for the UK. So says Lucy Moreton from the Immigration Services Union. She told The Times: "The French will not allow us to use them for looking for illegals. They only allow us to use scanners to search for contraband, not people."

    This exposes again the claim that Britain is more secure within the EU than outside it being pedaled by Cameron, May and Hammond as a lie, a figment of their imaginations. It is only a day or two ago that 26 illegal immigrants were found by Kent Police in a lorry that had just arrived from France:

    [​IMG]

    And that's on top of all the failures of the French and Belgian security services that are coming to light in apprehending known terrorists - even when they're sent back there by the US and Turkey; in some cases TWICE!
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 25, 2016
  10. Timmers
    Offline

    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I heard on the news about the information forwarded to the Belgium authorities from Turkey, its time for them to wake up.

    Common sense tells me that Britain could be a more secure place out of the EU.

    I was thinking that if Trump wins the Presidential election and restricts the travel movements into the US for Muslims as he has warned then Europe would follow, at the moment no one but him is bold enough to take steps that would really make a difference to security.

    The free movement around most European countries has certainly made it easier for the terrorist who took part in both the Paris and Brussels bombings.
  11. walesrob
    Offline

    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    This is where Europe fails, even the most ardent Euro fans out there will now probably agree. The thought that these terrorists are moving around unchecked is creating serious headaches. Maybe its time to reintroduce border controls or checks of some sort, otherwise there will be more of these tragic events.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. Anon04576
    Offline

    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    Trump recently alluded that the UK will leave the EU for this reason alone.
  13. Mattecube
    Offline

    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    As said a real complicated issue but I am leaning towards the out door, I fear for the UK on its current path and wonder if we took a stance and had controls like Canada and Australia only stricter would we be better placed that said,it concerns me greatly that the ISIS movement take revenge on countries that upset them for example the Belgian police arrest a ringleader and a few days later there is the airport massacre.
    I fear we are already infiltrated with cells of sleeping ISIS members here in the UK, awaiting orders to perform a massacre.
    If border controls cannot be conducted for freight traffic coming to the UK on mainland Europe we have a massive problem as when the immigrants are here they have won how do we send them back and to where?
    We need to make our benefits system far more rigid in many many areas and also as with the nhs surcharge that many of us have paid introduce that to EU members coming here prior to them being treated and if they cant pay then their government pays if thy are stateless then some of the Human Rights groups should be charged.
    Those that want to come here and make a positive contribution pay taxes and live the UK culture welcome those who dont try your luck at Moscows door
  14. subseastu
    Offline

    subseastu I'm Bruce Wayne Lifetime Member

    Trouble immigration is a tiny part of the whole in/out argument, not that I'm saying its not important, it is. I just feel that a decision shouldn't be made purely on the basis of this alone. Saying that I've always been in favour the Canada / Oz immigration system based on points.

Share This Page