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Labour manifesto

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Bluebird71, May 11, 2017.

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  1. Bluebird71
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    Bluebird71 Well-Known Member

    I'm starting to think that there are policies there worth voting for.

    Free hospital parking
    Scrapping tuition fees
    Nationalizing the energy industry, mail insustry
    4,000 homes reserved for rough sleepers
    Raising £6bn for the NHS through higher taxation of higher earners
    Ban fracking
    An increase to workers rights
    Scrapping the pay cap
    Insulation of veterans homes for free
    Offer a safe haven to those fleeing persecution and war
    Guarantee the rights of EU citizens in the UK and secure reciprocal rights for U.K. citizens in the EU
    Negotiate transitional arrangements in case there is no deal with EU
    Ending Zero Hour contracts
    Free school meals for all primary school children
    A National Investment Bank
    Inflation caps on rent rises

    Some worthwhile policies there, many I find favourable, some less so.
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  2. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    During my lifetime in the UK, 43 years, I have had the privilege to experience Labour nearly bankrupting the country every time they were elected to power...

    And then the Tories get called names for their tough austerity stance in trying to balance the books.

    I am sorry, I would not want somebody in Government that is in cahoots with the Unions whose leaders lead a champagne lifestyle and don't have anything in common with the hardworking, taxpaying Joe Bloggs of this world.
    Just a bunch of sad conviction politicians that never really done any hard manual labour or run a successful business.
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  3. Markham
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    It's a manifesto drawn-up by self-confessed Marxists who have known no other life outside student revolutionary politics. Not only will it be the longest suicide note in history when it is finally published but the most expensive one too.

    If it should come to power (heaven forfend), Labour will put our children, our grandchildren and very likely their grandchildren into hock for their entire lives. The manifesto alludes to a borrowing requirement of £250 billion but as we have seen, senior Labour politicians have a problem with elementary mathematics, so that debt is very likely a figure they've plucked-out of the air and will very likely be several factors larger than that. And its Chancellor was sacked by his left-wing boss, Ken Livingstone, for cooking the books when he was employed at County Hall.

    I note that nothing appears to be costed in this so-called manifesto but the £20 billion raised from their planned 7% rise in Corporation Tax has been spent ten times over - as even the Guardian and BBC acknowledge! We can be sure that scrapping zero hour contracts and raising the minimum wage will raise living costs for everyone and those on low incomes, such as pensioners, will suffer most.

    Of course Corbyn wants to scrap tuition fees: university students make up the bulk of the new membership of the Labour Party (those who joined since Corbyn became leader). That policy ensures a good supply of left-wing radicals.

    Not mentioned (yet) but definitely on the cards is scrapping the monarchy and turning the country into a republic.

    And still no straight answer on Brexit.

    Typical Labour: a party at war with itself.
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    Agreed, some make perfect sense.

    Zero hours is the one every party should be including in their manifestos. Ditto extra money for the NHS.

    As for Nationalisation, no and no again. It'll only end in tears.
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  5. Bluebird71
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    Do you think that this image is real, or is it something that the media (where many who write the stories earn big money, and where Murdoch stands to lose in a fairer world) portrays for the purposes of self preservation?
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    And they forgot free school milk....
  7. Bluebird71
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    I can see why you Tory (sorry Plaid) folks are eager to draw parallels with 1983. Albeit there are similarities, this one is not as far left as Michael Foot's.

    Of course, the Murdoch press, in the art of self preservation, will be writing similar headlines.

    The National Debt has increased by SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION QUID, since 2010. Austerity isn't working, it's merely forcing people (like nurses) to food banks.

    National debt now stands at 1.7 TRILLION quid. And we have nothing to show for the 740 billions added since 2010.

    You are opposed to scrapping zero hour contracts. Would you be happy to see someone you care about on such a deal? Please don't tell me your thoughts are as abstract as the ones you accuse the Marxists of having!

    Are you opposed to scraping tuition fees? You've been criticizing the Liberals for their involvement in doing that.

    Scrapping the monarchy? They haven't said that, so why jump to that conclusion?

    The Tories promised to get rid of the deficit in 5 years. In 2010. It's still 5 years away. Our kids are paying for it through austerity, child poverty, damp homes and parents on zero hour contracts. All for your generation, and mine. Your compassion for the future generations wears thin when you argue against the abolition of zero hour contracts because pensioners will suffer.

    My vote is still with the Libs - purely for the tactics of my seat. I'd be happy for Corbyn to put some of these plans into practice - the last 5 years have seen people suffering, and our Natiknal Debt rising to record levels.
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    Good point, Wilson and Thatcher put an end to that, I have fond memories of receiving school milk as a nipper.
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    A senior member of the Labour party was quoted as saying it was JCs Christmas list for Santa :).

    Its a better manifesto that I thought they would come up with but you cannot help feeling we would be stepping back in time, some good stuff in there as said but for most it will not be enough to sway how they will be voting.
  10. Markham
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    Smart kids would take their bottles from the very centre of the crate where there was less chance of getting a bottle full of sour milk (in summer) or an ice lolly (winter).
    Zero hour contracts have been around for a very long time, literally centuries; that's how temporary staff and casual workers have always been employed. However to reduce unemployment during the Blair years, he advocated a wider use of them.

    Currently Tescos charges 40p for a Round Lettuce, a 300 gram punnet of strawberries is £3 and £2 for organic leeks but by how much will those prices have to be increased if Corbyn gets into power? Because farm labourers would be paid on days they can't work (due to inclement weather etc) and get a significant hourly rate plus sick and holiday pay, you, the consumer, will ultimately have to pay the increased cost. So you will buy less and the farmer goes out of business, or, Tesco imports all its fresh produce from Spain and Morocco and still local producers go out of business. Shops and supermarkets also employ temporary staff; you the consumer will have to pay more for the same basket because of the higher staffing costs. What a great policy: are farmers and shop-keepers part of "the few" so despised by Labour?

    Not a well thought-out policy.

    Scrap tuition fees? Answer me this, where is the £17 billion (approx) a year currently paid in tuition fees going to come from?
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  11. Bluebird71
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    I'm sure someone will ask Labour the question and we'll be able to judge their response.

    Are you suggesting that farm labourers should not receive sick pay? That they should not get holiday pay? And do you really think that temporary staff members at supermarkets deserve to be exploited?
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  12. Aromulus
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    I have only stated, my personal experience of different labour governments, what I saw with my own eyes, and haven't in any way shape or form mentioned anything about Media or Murdoch.
    I cannot sincerely understand why you are trying to expand the post to include stuff to which I haven't even hinted.


    So, please, do not try to read what is not there.
    I don't beat around the bush, I usually try to be concise and to the point, without leaving doubts, even if at times not entirely politically correct.
    Life would be so much easier allround, if some people would stop finding excuses for their inadequacy and try to ingratiate themselves by showing fake indignation towards wrongly perceived slights.

    I am not aiming this at you, personally, but on modern life in general, It is a strange sensation, having to watch, carefully, what one says, and mentally rehearse before uttering words which may offend some more sensible and weak minded elements of this society.
    Maybe I was born in the wrong century.
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  13. Bluebird71
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    I thought this was a forum for discussion . I apologize for interrupting your monologue. When I started the thread, I didn't envisage that Ibwould have no right to reply to differing viewpoints.

    I asked a question politely, meant no offense, and take no offence at your amusing retort.
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