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Labour's Disreputable Leadership

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Oct 11, 2015.

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  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    It is sometimes better to be a traveller ......than to arrive LoL:D
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  2. Markham
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    That'd be the Morning Tsar, then! :D

    His father was a man of principle. Just the wrong set of principles!

    Tom Watson and Zac Goldsmith have some hard questions to answer in relation to their baseless witchhunt including against Lord Brittan and Lord Bramall.

    Sweet of you to say so but quite untrue, I'm afraid :)

    Who were they again? :p
  3. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    In this world, we are all fellow travelers, life is not a destination but a long and arduous journey.

    I am 100% sure that Mark did not intend to use the word in a bad way or as a slur.
    Sometime in the heath of discussion, one tends to read too much into words or phrases.
  4. oss
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    Andy, the term "fellow traveller" has long been used to reflect someone who is on the same political path as a mainstream group but has not joined that group.

    It's been around since very early in the 20th century, it has nothing at all to do with traveling people, it is still however a pejorative term and I don't think Mark was fair to use it.
  5. AndyRam
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    I've never heard the phrase in my life, quite a few family members worked in politics and I studied history to degree level and this is the first occurance. I'm not one to take offence for the sake of taking offence, or to act outraged, and I am certainly no choirboy, but given the context I was like - wtf?

    At least I can finally say I learned something from Markham! :p
  6. oss
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    Your processor is not working properly ;) you've got a brain the size of a planet mate ;) :D

    I never figured out the "fellow traveller" thing either until about 15- 20 years ago, eventually I started reading stuff that introduced the term, and I'm a good bit older than you :) and found out what it meant at an older age than you :)

    As an aside my pal Smithy who passed away some years ago did have a 'Brain the size of a planet' and was a great fan of Douglas Adams, unemployed all his life after dropping out of Glasgow Uni and Paisley Tech, but we used to drink all night on the proceeds of the quiz machines in Paisley when I gave him the initial pound stake for the evening :)

    Markham is controversial by design, he's a great source of knowledge on the Phils but I don't tend to agree on the UK political subjects, ah well, it's a forum, all any of us can do is post what we believe :)
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  7. Bootsonground
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    If you were typing away on line and some one mistook your words and then concluded you were obviously a Muslim, would you be just as offended,more offended or less offended than being mistaken for a "traveler"??
  8. AndyRam
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    Concluding is one thing. Making a smart arsed and rude remark is another.
  9. Markham
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    Whilst the phrase "fellow traveller" can certainly be pejorative, I certainly didn't use it in a pejorative sense nor intended any offence. And I did say "seems to be a fellow traveller" rather than "is a fellow traveller" in other words, speculating that Andy might be, not impugning that he was. Had I, on the other hand, said that he may be one of Corbyn's 'useful idiots' (qv) - which I'm not, I might add - then he'd might well have just cause to feel indignant!

    Thanks, Jim, I've adopted that as my by-line! :)
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  10. AndyRam
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    I've j

    I've just replied to that but it's disappeared as my phone logged me off. To cut to the chase:

    Were black footballers who were upset with monkey chants merely prejudiced against monkeys?

    No. Context and intent is king.
  11. AndyRam
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    Fair dos then. I accept what seems to be an apology :p

    I think you calling me a 'useful idiot' would have been a vast improvement!

    Can we get back to the Three Minute Hate, because I feel bad for unintentionally disrupting what is clearly a board institution. I want to hear what our impartial, unbiased press have to say about the only party and politician they seem to care about, brought to us by someone Daily Mail By Design.
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  12. AndyRam
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    Bloody sandal-wearing hippies, the lot of you :):):)
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  13. Markham
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    Following his tour of northern French ports, Corbyn appeared on the This Morning sofa to talk about the migrant crisis:

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    He made a rather incredible claim that a fair number of the encamped migrants were holding British Passports and called on the Government to admit them immediately. Is his claim even credible? Migrants holding British Passports would surely be able to book their passage with P&O in the certain knowledge they'd be admitted into Britain - and yes, I think we can assume that they could lay their hands on sufficient funds to pay the £30 foot-passenger fare from Calais to Dover. I suspect that those Passports he claims to have seen may either be forged or belong to British pro-migrant activists who were also present on that day.

    He also suggested that the government admits migrant children which, at first hearing, sounds like a good humanitarian idea which we should all support. Its brilliance diminishes, however, when you realise that they'd be place in the care of an already over-stretched, cash-strapped social services system which simply would be unable to cope. With unintended consequences being a real possibility. Do we really want to risk repeats of the Victoria Climbié tragedy?

    Then there's the Swedish experience.

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    A Lebanese-born 22 year old Swedish woman was murdered yesterday at her place of work - a refugee centre for unaccompanied children. A 15 year old asylum-seeker has been arrested on suspicion of her murder. It has already been widely reported that other young male asylum-seekers - all being unaccompanied minors - are sexually-assaulting and stealing from young Swedish women in swimming pools and outside train stations. The country's top police officer has demanded an extra 4,100 officers to help with the crisis. Swedes blame their government for this mess - Sweden has accepted more migrants per head of population than any other European country - and have taken to direct action: over two dozen centres set up to deal with migrants were destroyed in arson attacks last year alone.

    Is that a situation you wish to visit on the British public, Mr Corbyn?
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    The way I see it.........

    Corbyn seems to be the most valuable recruiting tool that the Tories and Ukippers have in their arsenal.

    Which in a way or two, is rather worrying as it does open a pandora box of unbridled and unchallenged tory rule and Ukip divisiveness...

    So the sooner some Labour MP's grow a pair, and somehow remove him and his cohorts from leading the party to oblivion, the better.
    Then the status quo, will somehow be re-established and some proper opposition will be in place to take the ruling party to account.


    And if me auntie had balls, she'd be me uncle...
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  15. Dave_E
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    "Good humanitarian idea"? :eek:

    Surely it would just gives the whole extended family the "humanitarian right" to follow their abandoned offspring.

    These "humanitarians" need a kick up the ass.
  16. Markham
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    It's not an apology but an explanation, sir! :p

    I know you wouldn't thank me for that! Corbyn's useful idiots tend to be members of, or associated with, Momentum and/or Stop the War Coalition.

    The Daily Mail does not, in fact, feature particularly highly in my arsenal of sources. I am more likely to have my interest piqued by something in the Daily Telegraph, the Guardian, the Mirror or Guido Fawkes' political blog. Isn't The Daily Mail the Kardashians' House Magazine?
  17. KeithAngel
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    Except there is a fair amount of kids in Northen France who already have family in the UK

    I for one would be prepared to foster a youngster who has lost all there family

    So all male children over what age should be sent to Davao for "relocation"?

    I see you dont condem "arson attacks" on vunerable families Mark either.
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    Source, please.

    I am sure you would and that's very admirable but in this PC era social workers will want foster parents from the same culture. But if you're so minded, why not foster (or adopt) one of the many British children that also need stable homes and loving families. Or are British kids somehow less deserving?

    Bit far for asylum-seekers, don't you think? Besides they all want to be in the Land of Milk and Honey where the government treats you better than those with foreign spouses by giving you a furnished house, food, clothing and a weekly allowance. That would be Dover not Davao!

    Except that there haven't been any in the UK although the far right in Germany is not taking to the migrant crisis at all well. Whilst I don't condone their actions in any way whatsoever and hope that those responsible are held to account, a deal of blame must be levelled at Angela Merkel who, without reference to the German Parliament or warning to the population, opened the floodgates. She's compounded the error by making each area solely responsible for feeding, housing and clothing the migrants sent to it but not providing them with any resources - financial or otherwise - in order to do so. German officials have no option but to relieve the migrants of their valuables which are sold to help pay their way. The last time German officials systematically took valuables from people, those people ended up in gas chambers.
  19. Bootsonground
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    Yeah,but are you a traveler though??
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  20. AndyRam
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    Are you for real?

    Are you a complete idiot?

    Matter is closed. I'm not dealing with 50 Shades of Stupidity.
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