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Labour's Disreputable Leadership

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Oct 11, 2015.

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  1. Aromulus
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    I would have expected better than that Keith.
    You clearly have the issues in disarray.
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  2. Markham
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    As you seem to find insulting people amusing - judging from your vote to my post #317 above - let me redress the balance. Your profile page lists your age as 37. This year is 2016. Subtract 37 from 2016 and what are you left with? Surprise, surprise the answer is not 1978 but 1979!

    Still smirking? :p
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  3. AndyRam
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    So you are saying that my birthday has already occurred. Do you assume that everyone is born in the first two or three weeks of January? So you are not redressing the balance. You are explaining your stupidity. Well, guess what, I don't care.

    Furthermore, don't assume that a vote is a vote for insulting people. You seem to be happy to assume an awful lot at times.

    You are, quite simply in my opinion, an educated fool, and you attempting to take any moral high ground is risible in the extreme. Accusing others of what you do yourself isn't exactly the least obvious tactic.

    I really don't want to speak to you. That scenario shouldn't be unfamiliar to you - I assume. I'll leave you to your Tory drivel.
  4. Aromulus
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    Can't we just debate the topic at hand without having to criticize the poster?

    This is about points of view of a particular subject

    We all make assumptions, one way or the other, and sometime predictions too, based on personal opinions, it doesn't mean at all that it is the gospel and has to be followed. Or that it may be correct in the first place................
    We are grown ups.
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  5. Bootsonground
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    Troll alert!! Not rocket science!!
  6. Markham
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    Last weekend Jeremy Corbyn went to Nottingham to launch Labour's local election campaign

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    He told his audience "Our message in the local government campaign is clear: Labour is standing up for you and a Labour council is the best protection for your community and local services against the onslaught of Tory cuts. People are better off with Labour."

    Just one slight problem: there are no local elections in Nottingham this year!

    The junior doctors were on strike on Wednesday which, as you may know, is the day of the week that the Prime Minister has to answer MPs' questions including six posed by the leader of the Opposition. The previous time the doctors went on a day's strike - also a Wednesday as I recall - did Corbyn question Cameron about the government's handling of the situation? No he did not: all his questions were about housing. Fast-forward to last Wednesday and with Cameron's triumphant return from his EU negotiations and the doctors picketing hospital gates, you'd think Corbyn would ask at least one question about each of these. Particularly as Jeremy Hunt was about to impose his new (ill-conceived) contract on the doctors and that other Health Service employees would soon be affected by new contracts. And Cameron's negotiations for a reformed Europe have spectacularly failed to produce anything to Britain's advantage.

    Corbyn - who despite sporting a "I ♥ UNIONS" lapel badge - totally ignored both of these important topics and instead waffled-on about housing!!

    This government is getting away with some of the worst excesses since Margaret Thatcher became Secretary of State for Education (never mind her Premiership). Why? Because under Corbyn - and the Landsman-led Politburo - Labour has ceased to be a proper political party and is little more than a disparate mob of angry protesters. Corbyn and his team should be holding the government to account. He should be concentrating on embarrassing his opposite number and asking, for example, why his new deal on migrant benefits will quite possibly cost the taxpayer even more than the current arrangement.

    Corbynistas effectively control most of Labour's NEC - they will have total control within a few months. The latest edict is that policy statements are only to be made by the NEC and not by shadow ministers. The idea is to gag the moderates who will now have to clear their answers to policy questions through Labour's ruling NEC and to prevent a repeat of Hilary Benn's magnificent speech (on Syria) whose message diametrically opposed that of his leader. Democracy is being replaced by dictatorship in the Labour Party.
  7. Aromulus
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    I still think that it was a shrewd move by some brainy tories to help get Corbyn elected as leader
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  8. Markham
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    The political blogger, Guido Fawkes, should be congratulated for his bringing to light the rampant racism alive and well in Corbyn's Labour Party which he is reluctant to tackle with any degree of seriousness or vigour. I refer, of course, to the anti-Semitism sentiment that's has - and is - being voiced by those on the hard left. And if it's not spoken, then it's expressed by association along the lines of Corbyn's trenchant support of Hamas and Hezbollah, sworn enemies of the State of Israel.

    It's not so long ago that Seumus Milne, the Guardian journalist turned Director of Strategy of the Labour Party, stated that the foundation of Israel was a crime. More recently his boss, Jeremy Corbyn, agreed with a caller to his show on Press TV who accused the BBC of being "Zionist Liars"; Press TV is the broadcaster sponsored by Iranian Ayatollahs. And Livingstone has form for making anti-Semite utterings in addition to his very recent grotesque claims that "Hitler was a Zionist". It's a fair bet that Corbyn will arrange for his old friend to be cleared by the party's internal enquiry. He who would be Mayor of London, one Sadiq Khan, has regularly campaigned alongside his pal, Muhammed Butt who leads Brent Council: on April 16, Butt posted on Facebook calling called Israel "a terrorist state like ISIS". Butt is not the only extremist Khan has allied himself with it seems.

    Jews have traditionally supported Labour but the party is also attracting large numbers of Muslim supporters who hate Jews and want to see the State of Israel bombed off the map. They are represented in Parliament by the likes of Bradford West's Labour MP Naz Shah - this is the constituency formerly held by arch anti-Semite George Galloway who reportedly incited racial hatred by declaring the city to be an "Israel-free zone" in August 2014. I'd say it is unlikely that Labour will be able to count on the Jewish vote as hitherto, and this debacle might be enough to ensure that the London Mayoralty remains in Tory hands - there is Jewish blood coursing through Zac Goldsmith's veins.

    Labour has replaced the Tory party as being the xenophobe of mainstream British politics.

    Before all this blew-up, Labour HQ was anticipating losing around 200 council seats, any less would be seen as a minor victory. I rather think Labour will be punished by the electorate and lose considerably more seats. If it now retains 200 seats, it can considerate itself lucky - that's more than Corbyn deserves.

    No doubt a Corbynista will be along shortly to tell us that this is all a diversionary tactic plot by the climate-change deniers!!
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    Labour really need to sort themselves out. A bit of calm down, dear is called for. It seems to me its not a case of Labour left or Labour right, its more the old Labour grandees having one last pop at each other, probably been festering for many years, and now that Corbyn is not really in control, its wide open for all to see, and its not pretty. Which brings me on to Andy Burnham, I can see him as potential leadership material, he was coherent and statesmanlike last week, you could hear the passion in his voice when he was asked about the Hillsborough tragedy, thats the sort of leadership we need.
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    Andy Burnham's dogged determination and campaigning for the Hillsborough victims' families has rightfully earned him praise and plaudits from all sides of the political divide. I agree, he is definitely potential leadership material but I don't think his name will appear on the ballot paper.

    The next leader of the Labour Party will be ...... John McDonnell but he'll be little more than a puppet whose strings will be pulled by the likes of Jon Lansman assisted by Seamus Milne and other fellow travellers.

    Corbyn is too toxic now - even for the far left - and will be ousted after Thursday's elections. Interesting that he's been banned from campaigning in Wales by Carwyn Jones! :D
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    Yesterday three councillors were suspended, including a former mayor, were suspended from the Labour Party for anti-Semitism. This morning Guido Fawkes has published evidence that Clive Lewis MP, a top Corbyn ally, tweeted a very similar message to that that caused fellow MP Naz Shah's suspension last week.

    Veteran Labour MP Paul Flynn has apparently written to one of his constituents who happens to be Jewish:

    Paul Flynn ignores the fact that all the instances of anti-Semitism exhibited by members of his party were made on social media accounts owned by those involved and were reported as-is; his suggestions that they were made by "pro-Palestine students" and then distorted and exaggerated is preposterous. He - in common with Corbyn and Diane Abbott - is in denial.

    I read that Corbyn is described as "a dead man walking" by his own MPs; it's not a case of 'should they topple him' but 'when'. Margaret Hodge is, apparently, to be used as a stalking horse challenger but that we may have to wait until after the Referendum before she makes her move.
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    Further comment is superfluous.
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    Keith's comrade's reaction on hearing the local election results:

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  16. KeithAngel
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    Astute analasis there Mark :lol::lol::lol:

    Well worth a read back
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    :rolleyes:
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    Very forthright Dom:lol:
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