Labour's Tuition Fees Betrayal

"Think back, Mr Corbyn. Did you by any chance tell any porkies in the run up to the election?"​

What an excellent attempt by the torys to regain control of any narrative still a lie though posted by a liar

x10 from Marks link below

Now, speaking to NME for this week’s cover interview, Corbyn has said that he will work to reduce existing student debt if they win the upcoming general election.

“First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.”

http://www.nme.com/news/jeremy-corb...ened-student-debt-2082478#BjJubcJDuqAXLkmF.99

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Anecdotal evidence is not factual.

Is that unbiased?

I think I am now understanding why Markham wants this forum closed... he's taking a right ol' drubbing and is resorting to anecdotal and singular opinions from people who are not Corbyn supporters.

This is another Murdoch fuelled character assassination and, just like the last one, will be doomed to fail.

Come in Number 10, your time is up.

So the only opinions that are permissible are those of Corbyn supporters. Thank you for making that abundantly clear. I am sure there will now be an exodus of those who neither agree with you nor Corbyn.

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I would of hoped he would have understood by now about hole digging but perhaps its just the desperate need for attention talking he has always tried to close things he cant control perhaps I will ask Jeremy to join and wish him belated Happy Birthday since no one else did

Note to self it might be organic

I can see how excited you must be to see such a Large Headline that supports your Lie

however you have critically failed to read the small print that doesnt quote Jeremy at all

fortunatly I still have the direct quote you furnished some pages back so here it is again with

accomadations for your apparent failing sight

x11 from Marks link below

Now, speaking to NME for this week’s cover interview, Corbyn has said that he will work to reduce existing student debt if they win the upcoming general election.

“First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.”

http://www.nme.com/news/jeremy-corb...ened-student-debt-2082478#BjJubcJDuqAXLkmF.99

Posted 4 hours ago on the Evening Standard:



and this from one month ago:



and in today's Daily Mail (print edition):

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No matter how much you bluster, this story is not going away.

Nice unbiased site there!!!!

So glad you agree - it counters the Guardian perfectly

no bluster required

your link

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...ebt-for-graduates-who-paid-9000-a3554841.html

Which is quoting from the NME interview

"But in a cover interview for the well-known music magazine, he said: “First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether. We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees.”

He added: “And I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.”

And Now from the NME link posted by you

http://www.nme.com/news/jeremy-corb...ened-student-debt-2082478#BjJubcJDuqAXLkmF.99

12th time

Now, speaking to NME for this week’s cover interview, Corbyn has said that he will work to reduce existing student debt if they win the upcoming general election.

“First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.”

Note the difference?

Did you say you were a Jounalist?

Anecdotal evidence is factual but it is not necessarily evidential.

Go on then have the last word

I see that you don't appear to understand the problem, Keith, so let me try to explain it in as friendly and simple way as I can.

What Corbyn actually said in that interview with NME is not at issue though his choice of words wasn't the best. The issue is how those words were reported by the media and repeated by Labour activists and parliamentary candidates - including the two shadow ministers. This sudden largess was reported just prior to polling day but nobody from Labour and certainly not Corbyn sought to clarify or modify the message.

The country went to the polls believing tuition fees would be scrapped, historic student debt wiped-out and maintenance grants re-established. Indeed this was the explanation given by pundits commenting on the high student turnout during the BBC Election Results programme.

My daughter and her boyfriend each have well over £50,000 of student debt which, because they both earn in excess of £21k, they are having to pay towards each month. Neither is a Labour party supporter but both were duped by the reported promises made a few days before they cast their votes and voted Labour. For them the attraction of having their student debt wiped-out in the early days of a Labour government was worth voting for. Many of her contemporaries thought and acted in exactly the same way as she did.

I suggest that's it's not only students who were persuaded by Labour's student finance promises to vote Labour: many parents of those at or about to start university were as well - and particularly the better-off who would otherwise have to subsidise their offsprings' university place. Quite possibly not natural Labour voters but people who've lent the party their vote for reasons of personal gain.

That the news of this betrayal isn't having a bigger impact is down to the annual summer holidays and Parliament in recess; the reaction to it is delayed. From my conversations with my daughter, it is clear that many students are livid, that they feel they have been betrayed by both major parties of the Left and they certainly won't be voting for either of you in the future, in short: a plague on both your houses.

I suspect it won't be too long before someone such as John Curtice publishes the results of research of the extent that Corbyn's student finance pronouncements had in determining how students voted. The only real question is the number of seats that were affected.

Sorry for the delay been very busy with work and an eye infection !

In glad you concede that Jeremy at no time said what you kept saying he did

I would agree that the Shadow Justice Minister on what I think is regional TV appears to have misunderstood what Jeremy had said that morning ,if this were a crime then he would have to imprision himself and be in the Company of almost every Tory Cabinet Minister

I would commend to your Daughter and Son in law that they either read the relevant parts of the Labour Manifesto or confine themselves to reputable reports of what Jeremy had said rather than the mostly Tory prpaganda and there self interest as you describe it is not in my view the only pull factor for youngsters a lot believe in a fairer society for all Im not really clear either who they would "natuarly vote for since it was the LibDem/Tory coalition that trebled loans and the Tories who no longer belive in contract law who have frozen the entry for repayment and allowed interest rates to soar to over 6% GreenParty perhaps

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This is the story that keeps giving - rather like Labour!

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YouGov's recent research shows that 59% of 18-24 year olds, ie students, went to the polls believing that a Corbyn-led Labour government would reduce or write-off all student debt:

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Like most people, they read headlines, not manifestos.

Then there's this:

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