Labour's Tuition Fees Betrayal

The actual interview on video

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/...ised-to-wipe-out-student-debt-show-them-this/

How deep is the hole that Markham is digging?

I'm watching Keith and you dig this particular hole!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40630242

The main issues that determined how people voted. Student debt?

You desrve a decent burial

What's creative about this study, Markham?

Thinking about it, the "creative" rating was inaccurate and I have now corrected that. Thank you for pointing this out!

I have a comprehensive study backing up my claims.

You have the Daily Mail.

The study may have been comprehensive when undertaken but you've quoted the BBC which attributes Brexit for anything and everything to undermine the government.

No I don't. Not for around €2.50 per issue and up to a day's delay in getting a copy, it isn't worth it. I have better sources than that.

Usually the Tory Political Broadcasts. Who could forget your "Corbyn wants to abolish our army" moment? Here we are, treading the same path.

And you're still attacking the messenger ...

I'm commenting on your lack of detail. You claimed that when Corbyn said "abolish their army" he was talking about the British Army. You backed it up using a Tory Party Political Broadcast.

You're doing the same here, Keith has pointed you towards recordings of what Corbyn actually said, but still you persist on presenting a distorted message (which is what I am attacking) that is based on fragments of speech and covers nothing on the context.

No, Keith has repeatedly quoted an article which is a reportage of what Corbyn apparently said in an interview. Since Corbyn has not sought to clarify his words, we have to assume that the article is an accurate report - but that is not an automatic given.

Corbyn's actual words as printed are in fact totally irrelevant: it is how others reported his "pledges" - and by others I mean other publications in the mainstream media, bloggers and one social media including tweets by his own frontbench that are of import. It is those convenient soundbites that everyone remembers, very few have either the time or inclination to read manifestos - not that all his pledges were included in Labour's manifesto, he made it up on the hoof a few short days before Polling Day.

Have you discussed this issue with anyone who's directly affected? Because I have and my daughter, her boyfriend and their circle of university friends are unanimous in their feeling of total betrayal (their words) by parties of the left. My daughter was taking her A levels when the Lib Dems sold-out the students with their false promise of scrapping tuition fees and now Labour doing the self same thing. They will never trust left of centre parties ever again and indeed may not participate in future elections: that betrayal has disengaged and alienated them. Well done!

The recordings were made by NME and from them is the verbatim written report by them

Mark is just demonstrating his lazyness troll that he is and using his daughter et al a yet more straw men that in his version have forgoten the rules of research and Harvard Referencing

I speak with students quite often and generally the ones I speak to are buying into Corbyn's vision for a fairer Britain. Like you, my evidence is deeply flawed because it is purely anecdotal.

The latest poll has Labour 10 points ahead of Theresa May, and they've asked more than just 5 people.

"A fairer Britain", eh? That's where the poor subsidise the rich, right?!

A Centre for Policy Studies report out today says Labour’s plans “would effectively act as a subsidy from comparatively less wealthy non-graduates to graduates”. Since graduates earn on average £9,500 more a year than non-graduates, under Corbyn’s policy poorer taxpayers would foot the bill to enable a privileged few to enjoy higher salaries.

The study finds:

• The cost of repealing university tuition fees and re-introducing maintenance grants is equivalent to putting 2.8 percentage points on the basic rate of income tax. A “significant” impact on taxpayers.
• Corbyn’s infamous “deal with it” pledge on existing debts implied cash would be spent on amelioration. That means appropriating yet more cash from poorer non-graduates to wealthier graduates.
• Scotland has no tuition fees, yet a lower proportion of its disadvantaged students go to university. So the policy when applied doesn’t even achieve its stated aim.

Labour's tertiary education policies: for the few, not the many.

Labour took seats from right-wingers last night as it saw its vote leap on a day of six council by-elections.

Jeremy Corbyn’s party won wards in Thanet in Kent and Worthing in Sussex, as well as holding on in a key area of middle England last night.

Overall Labour made a gain of two seats by the time four out of the six results had been declared.

It took the Margate Central ward in Thanet from UKIP, where the eurosceptics’ vote plunged, and the Marine seat in Worthing from the Tories.

Labour also retained the Loughborough Shelthorpe seat in Charnwood in Leicestershire, according to data provided by BritainElects.
https://labourlist.org/2017/08/council-by-elections-labour-make-gains-on-the-south-coast/

It's quite amusing how you base your arguments on 3 words. Just like "abolish their army".

Thanks to Keith, I am suitably well informed on Corbyn's policy, so I can gleefully ignore your party's misinterpretation.

People like Corbyn and May and now Cable all have to win my vote, May, and whatever she regenerates into for the new series, gets your vote every time. Silly her, she thought she had lots of other votes too.

She now has two fans, you and this bloke

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.te...an-nick-timothy-reveals-general-election/amp/

Hopefully he is reappointed for the next election (which will be a lot sooner than 5 years).

Had to give you a bad spelling for this one ,standards are
dropping

And for newer members an opinion from our founder in 2010

http://www.british-filipino.com/index.php?threads/students-tuition-fees.1643/

There you go again, ignoring the issue, preferring to attack me - the messenger - rather than what I wrote - the message.

For some reason you assume I'm a Tory but you have nothing substantive to pin your misbegotten impressions on. In any event, you are wrong. And no, I am not going to tell you which, if any, party I support: it's none of your damn business.

This thread, rather than discuss the issue has turned into the Forum's Labour Glee Club with you and Keith awarding yourselves winners' badges for every post the pair of you make.