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Let's hope that North Korea changes

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by anon250913, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. anon250913
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    anon250913 Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    What is happening now could speed up a change for their people.
    China looks like the answer to me i.e. to show them that change is good.
  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    It's going to end badly :( sorry to be depressing :(
  3. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    It will end badly!

    North Korea are still in a state of famine and this is due to the Military first political program that they have there. This is an attempt to get more from the US including sanctions lifted and when it doesn't work there will be a full on war..
  4. anon250913
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    anon250913 Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Don't think so Jim and Sean.
    New leader there testing the boundaries.
    US chest out
  5. walesrob
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    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    I'm with Mike on this, NK have been spouting threats for many years, they know full well if they dare try anything, no-one will help them, not even China. I think the world is fed up with NK and there's probably universal acceptance there needs to be changes made, how much longer can NK survive on so little with the huge number of sanctions? Maybe its a sign of desperation they are raising the game now, probably a ploy to get everyone to the negotiating table.
  6. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    I hope you're right, but even if it is chest puffing it could still lead to a full on war!

    North Korea threatening a nuclear strike is almost begging for a first strike from the US and I doubt China would help them out this time. There is also the chance that North Korea think they are next on the "to be sorted" list that once included Iraq and Afghanistan, and the sanctions are weakening their grip on power and they know it.

    Whether in my lifetime or shortly after it, I think we will see a last gasp war from North Korea in it's final movement from authoritarianism to democracy.
  7. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    It's a tricky one to call.
    Of all the 'experts' called to the various TV news rooms none of them give a convincing view and none of them agree.
    Herein lies the problem imo.

    There are a lot of contributing factors, not the least of which is the relatively new and inexperienced leadership of both North and South coupled with new and untested leadership in China also.
    Predictability somehow doesn't fit this time around.

    We all know about the Asian issues around 'Face'. Or at least we should do.
    Mix all this with sibling rivalry and it's easy to see how misunderstandings and mistakes can be made.

    I'm not sure just how much influence China can exert. In which direction it would exert any. Or even it it wants to.
    I very much doubt China will do anything in the slightest bit controversial. They already have enough to handle with Japan and others (including Philippines) without making unecessary waves.
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  8. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    On balance, I tend to agree to Mike. I just don't see any major international military action.
    There may be some minor 'local' actions, as has happened before.
  9. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I don't think the new leaders in China are enjoying this one little bit.

    I think that John Kerry is playing it about right, but as has been said none of the accounts and explanations look convincing. It is entirely possible for an hereditary young idiot to lead a nation into a disatrous war - Kaiser Wilhelm II managed it..
  10. subseastu
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    I think its just a new young leader doing a bit of postering and trying to flex his muscles myself. Locally N Korea may pose a bit of a threat to the south but I don't think that'll happen either.

    And to think I applied to go to our new build drillship getting built right in S Korea. Possible war and dog for dinner!!
  11. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Stick to Dak Bulgogi and you can be fairly sure you're not getting dog :) (Dak is chicken) although Kalbi (beef or pork rib) and Samgyeopsal (pork belly) wrapped with lettuce is really good too, their side dishes and accompaniments are wonderful particularly Kimchi. Kimchi is the ancestor of Sauerkraut but much better than the German offering, proper Kimchi is wonderfully spicy :)

    Have you actually signed up for S Korea Stu?
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2013
  12. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Yeah the problem is how is he (KJU) going to back down out of all this crap?

    He can start a real war simply through political incompetence.
  13. subseastu
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    subseastu I'm Bruce Wayne Lifetime Member

    I did put in for it last year as I would've been promoted but due to manning requirments on here I stayed on the mighty "Belford Dolphin" in Mozambique. To be honest I'm glad I didn't go, lets just say that certain folk got promoted sideways to korea. Its a pretty good crew on here now and that really helps. I 've left a few jobs in the past due to working with numpties
  14. oss
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    Wow if I've found the right one that is an impressive ship and bit of machinery! :)

    And you keep that thing spot on point!!!

    I am mightily impressed Stu! :)
  15. Methersgate
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    I have one word of advice for anyone invited by the shipyard drinking team in South Korea. This will by definition happpen before some particularly critical inspection or other haggle.

    It is this:

    Eat the ginseng porridge.

    At an early stage, before the serious drinking, you will eat a meal, certainly involving kimche and probably bulgogi. By the side of your plate, normally to your left, will be a bowl of what looks like porridge. It's ginseng.

    Get this down you, whatever happens.

    You now have a sporting chance of surviving the rest of the evening, which will include two or more of the following:

    Another three bars
    Two bottles of whisky
    A keysing house (if you are lucky)
    A disco
    A fight (this one is without the option - every drinking evening ends in a fight...

    ...and being able to work next day...

    (don't ask me how I know this...)
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  16. Anon220806
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    I never got to work on a drillship. Maybe just as well as I do get sea sick. Worked on heaps of semisubmersibles that undoubtedly are a lot more stable. Presumably keeping ballast is trickier though again, than on semisubs, presumably the seas are less rough where the drillships are deployed?
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  17. oss
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    :D

    I've not had the pleasure of the porridge yet.

    Don't mind a pub crawl whenever I see my best Scottish pal in England we sober up between pubs as he insists on walking miles between them.

    Also thank god that although I am a Scot I never drink spirits.

    Keysing? Like Karaoke? (couldn't get a good reference for that one)

    Disco, I like dancing.

    Although I come from a place close to Glasgow I am a gentle soul and will always avoid a fight unless my back is against the wall :)

    Done some crazy nights in Scotland, oddly from what Ana has told me the majority of South Korean men sound like a lot of the Scots I grew up with, anyway the older you get the harder it is to work the next day :)

    I won't ask ;)
  18. Methersgate
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    Keysing house - halfway between a geisha house and a regular brothel; may involve karaoke. You get to keep the girl if you like (unlike a geisha house, where you certainly don't) but it is a good deal more civilised than a regular brothel (and you don't have to take a girl; you can just make polite conversation - her English is likely to be excellent).

    The point to keep in mind is that a disco is a place where fights can, and usually do, happe,n but it is uncivilised to start throwing punches in a keysing house.
  19. oss
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    Thank you sir :D

    Ok I see your point, never been to Korea for me all I know is second hand from Ana, but we do both love their food :)

    Ana has never been complementary about the Korean male, probably due to being married to one, she is a proud woman and reacted very badly to being treated like a maid in Korea back in the mid 1990's.
  20. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    Some interesting stories here. :like:

    When I lived in Japan I would regularly visit Korea for business.
    In Japan all 'bad' (criminals) people are either Korean or Chinese. Never Japanese.:rolleyes:

    I always enjoyed my visits. Basically just the very same as life and basic practices in Japan except that the Koreans are much more aggresive and rude. Especially when drinking.
    Totally opposite to the Japanese in that respect.

    I much prefer the Japanese way. I do enjoy the Korean food though, as does my wife.

    Getting back on topic, the Japanese also play a major role here and likely 'under-the-table' with US. I think it's still the case that USA has a treaty of unquestioned military support of Japan. Japan certainly has no friendly feeling for N Korea (even South) and relations with China are strained to say the least.
    Quite a 'melting pot'

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