PC Keith Palmer, RIP

I saw that. Pathetic piece of news journalism if ever there was one!

I think they just announce it every time someone does something like this.

Hmmm ... I'm not so sure. The new tactic adopted by these extremists is to use home-grown terrorists in lone-wolf attacks using 'low tech' methods. I well remember the IRA's mainland bombing campaign which was similar in nature as was London's 7/7 bombing and the attack on Glasgow airport. So far the "softly-softly" approach has not been an unqualified success and the fact that there aren't more attacks and more people dead and injured says far more about the Police and security services than it does about libertarianism.

A day or so ago, the British government instigated a ban on iPads, laptops and other similar gadgets in carry-on bags on flights from certain countries. So far, so good and mirrors similar restrictions imposed by the US authorities. But unlike the American ban, there seems to be no requirement on the airlines to implement it either immediately or by a certain date (in the near future). I wonder why ...

Im curious to know what are the benefits police or military get when they are harmed or killed in the line of duty?

I just saw the amount raised for his family. Its never to going to be enough for the loss but it would be good to know that the govt are taken care of them.

Well the military I can vouch for.
Veteran's get treated like crap once they are out from service.

As for the deceased the spouse gets a small pension. Respect PC Palmer and veteran.

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Meaningless words.

Start making EVERY section of society obey the laws of OUR land, and wake up to the fact that fanciful ideas about 'diversity' and 'tolerance' are bleeding heart liberal naive nonsense.

This is Britain, not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, and the majority of the population of this country, wish it to stay that way.
Don't like British customs and values ? The door opens both ways. Just don't come back.

Last September, London's newly-elected Mayor pointed out, that the threat of terrorist attacks are "part and parcel of living in a big city" , they are the 'new normal' and Britons and Londoners should get used to the fact. This is the same Sadiq Kahn who, as a Labour MP, was openly critical of Blair's foreign policy (ie the Afghan and Iraq military excursions) but who supported Blair's liberalist policy of multiculturalism: immigration without integration. This deliberate policy has allowed minority groups to congregate in ghetto-like areas such as Birmingham Sparkbrook and its inhabitants to foment discontent with their lot and become radicalised.

Unless and until Blair's bankrupt policy is reversed and minority groups 'encouraged' to integrate fully into society, radicalisation of the disaffected will continue and there will be further such attacks and more innocent lives will be lost in the name of some potentate.

Integration has always been a key issue and in my opinion the UK Government has not paid enough attention to this issue when allowing people into the UK. Not just Muslims but people from the rest of the world, having said that, us British folk tend to keep within our own little community when we are living overseas.

The terrorist involved in the London attack was born in the UK of course, its going to be interesting to see what kind of background he came from and how he conducted his life.

The religion of Islam itself hinders full integration with the Christian society here in the UK, there are exceptions of course but it is definitely a substantial barrier.

As Graham stated, the door swings both ways and if people do not except the UK way of life then they are free to leave the country.

Its the interpretation of people twisting it to their own liking. The concept of being hostile to your neighbor or non-integration is very recent. Historically, caliphates have been very generous and tolerant to 'non-believers'.

Leaders of Islam being tolerant and generous to me as a so called non believer I find an insult, they should openly embrace and respect other peoples beliefs, as a whole they don't and this is where the problem lies.

When they are in Britain which is a Christian country they have follow the law of the land just as I have to do when I'm in their homeland, they should leave their crazy religious beliefs at home.

I dont want to argue on this issue .

But i just like to point out that until we engage with these people in a non-arguementative manner, im not sure the UK can move forward. Yes they are here and ideally should adapt to it. But if no one is showing them how or if the only 'role model' they have isnt appropriate, how do you go from there?

Immidiately telling them 'you should live the way we do and you should accept everything' isnt the best approach. In the same manner that most of the members of the forum have a thing or two (even a list) to say about how PH is run.

Should filipinos also start saying that 'you are in ph, you should accept the way we live?' I would think, most would answer 'Because i have seen how it can be better'.

Maybe for 'these' people, they think they also know better than the rest of us and Arguing head-on with them will never work.

This is the last piece of thing i would comment in relation this thread as i always think sometimes it gets very heated (and typing a lengthy rebuttal on a celfone is tiring )

Don't worry, unlike Muslims we are very kind and accommodating to young ladies, you can have your say, I personally welcome it

I agree with you up to a point, Maley. Would you not agree that all migrants, regardless of origin, must pass an English exam within (say) three months of arrival - to the same standard as non-EU spouses are required to have - and the LITUK exam after a year? Why should they be treated any more favourably than your wife?

As far the sentiment

actually they do say that. If you want to live in a country other than your own, you have to accept the laws, customs and traditions of your host nation. Just because you're British, you can't (openly) consume alcohol in Dubai or chew gum in Singapore: both are against the law.

They do... All the time!
As foreigners in the R.P we have almost zero rights..
For those that choose to live here,they had better respect Filipino culture and abide by their laws or else!
They had also better accept the facts that they have zero land ownership rights and that they will lose at least 60% of their capital funding if they decide to start a business... NEVER insult a Filipino in his own country,especially in the presence of his countrymen...It wont end well!
No point bitching about it..It`s their land and thats that.. Filipino`s are proper racists!! he he.

Might be a good idea to stop providing all council leaflets and "benefits" services in Arabic, Bengali, Chinese, Gujarati, Polish, Portuguese, Punjabi, Somali. Urdu, Vietnamese and every other language under the sun.

You're absolutely right, Jim. My apologies to both Maley and Graham. (Memo to self: buy new glasses!)

I agree - passing a language test has to be a key requirement. The life on the U.K. test is little more than a token gesture. I passed Geography and hated the subject - it's quite possible that some people, in the process of passing their Life in the U.K. tests, didn't actually gain any affinity with the country.

Is 3 months too short a time, though? For example, I believe you have been in Malta for longer than that. Could you hold a conversation in Maltese? How about our friends who have emigrated to the Philippines? Can they hold a conversation in Tagalog within 3 months of settling there? We can't ask people to do things that are unreasonable.

I would not be opposed to mandatory English lessons. I also think that local governments should insist on having a mix of students in schools. Integration should start at an early age, and all cultures in the country should be educated to get along with one another. Integration is a two way street, and we are not exactly great hosts.

How many languages are in the Philippines? English is the official language, Tagalog is their National lingo.

The Life In The UK Test needs to be more relevant and pay heed to the fact that we are shaped by our history and to understand us, one needs to understand our island's history.

Those coming to work here should already be conversant with the language - and that should be mandatory. Why should the NHS have to bear the cost of providing English lessons to Portuguese nurses? For those coming here as family members, they should be given a period of three to six months in which to come to the same standard as is expected of non-EU migrating spouses.

English is an official language of both Malta and the Philippines. Both my children will have their lessons taught in both Maltese and English and special language support is provided to children of non-Maltese families. Dyed-in-the-wool nationalists communicate only in Maltese, everyone else is happy to use English. The situation is similar in the Philippines. But your point would be perfectly valid had I chosen to live in France, Germany or Poland and our decision to move to Malta was partly on the basis of language.

I completely agree. I think it was rather unwise for the MacMillan and Blair governments to encourage mass immigration without any planning for how all these new inhabitants were going to co-exist with the 'natives'. At least the MacMillan limited his to migrants from the Commonwealth, notably the West Indies, India and Pakistan, but nevertheless there was rioting - the first Notting Hill riots took place in 1958; whereas Blair positively encouraged segregation of communities and this has led directly to the problems we face today with home-grown terrorism.