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Refused Again!

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by nikz, Apr 7, 2017.

  1. nikz
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    My girlfriend was once again refused for a visit visa. They say the reason tgey refused this time was because my mother was sponsoring my gf to come here. She gave more information than they ask for like bank statements(current account and savings), gas bills, water bills, even a letter from her boss stating how she has no doubt mam will and can spondor her. Also my gf had her bank statements, her business permit for her business, her university enrolment and stating how her family is relying on her to help put her siblings through school and oay for bills etc:. Pictures of me and my gf. We gave an array of information, way more thsn they ask for but they STILL say there is a lack of informstion. They say one of the reasons us because she will come here to visit me however we CLEARLY stated her reason for visit is to see the many attractions we went into detail about on the itinerary.

    They ALSO said that they have carefully considered the reasons she was refused before (no bank statement) hoeever they say on there website that each application is credited on its own merit and looked at individually.

    The resons thst they gave to us getting refised again are them contracting what THEY say.

    We are going to get a lawyer what we can do because they are CLEARLY contradicting themselves. I know a fellow user here had the same kind of refusal because they used something that has nothing to do with the application.

    What can we do about this because the reasons they gave for us getting refused are just ridiculous and contradictory. Would getting an immigration lawyer work because i know they say that you cant dispute a decision. However if we have a lawyer, will they ?

    Please help us with what you think we should do
  2. Alexnew
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    Sorry to hear about the adverse decision again. I've not had to apply for a visit visa before, so I'm sure others can analyse for any things that might be amiss. Personally it sounds like you provided all the necessary evidence to qualify.

    I've also read on their site that there's no appeal process and really can't understand this. I'd recommend making a complaint in writing, possibly through your local MP, asking for more precise details regarding the decision. This will ensure a manager picks up the case and query the decision with the decision maker. I wouldn't have high hopes of them changing it, but without a recognised appeal process, I'd say it's your best option.

    Assuming the decision is not changed I'd like to think they'll give you enough detail to ensure a favourable outcome in future.

    In the complaint I'd stipulate that your aware of the various visas and if you're girlfriend was visiting for any other reason than site seeing, then you'd apply through the appropriate channel, for the relevant visa.

    Hope this helps and good luck with any future applications.
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  4. nikz
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    Thsnkyou, ill have a read through that. I just find it disgusting how they can refuse a genuine visitor with every intention if returning. Especially when they give reasons that thy personaly say they wont use. But they do. Just ridiculous
  5. Brom27
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    Brom27 Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    You cannot complain or appeal on the decision of a visit visa refusal. You will not be given a review as well. That is generally for settlement visas.

    I am sorry to hear about your refusal again. Why not apply for a fiance visa now? Forget the visit visa.

    Although I can't blame you really. After my first visit visa refusal we hired a solicitor to help us and then we re applied and send the same documents coz the solocitor believed that the ECO is refusing as for wrong reasons. After 15 days of waiting I succesfully got the visa.
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  6. Khat
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    Sorry to hear that , I been to UK 3x for a tourist visa, the first attempt was 2011 and it was refused, I re applied 2012, visa granted, then I apply 2013 for another tourist visa, and once again after I been to uk for a genuine visit visa, they refused me twice(2x) year 2013, as u said the refusal was ridiculous.. It was very disappointing,they question me about my bank account, they even say that I work in UK... me and my bf was mad that time, and most esp me, on my 3rd application after I been refused twice, I send my old bank statement from my first application year 2012 stating, before I enter in UK I already have that amount in my bank, we not meet the 18k£ from my hubby, but we showed some revolving funds from him.he even have an explanation stating he can support me, because I have son, I also submit my mother consent to look after my son while I'm away. Then I submit again my Visit visa for the 3rd time, luckyly after 7 days they grant my tourist visa..that was Oct 2013-Feb2014..all my visa I only pay Standard..
    Then I never back in UK for almost 2years, When I checked last year(2016) and planned to visit again in UK evrythng was changed, But because I experienced 3x refusal from uk I was nervous gathering all my documents, what I did last year when I apply for tourist visa, I study my 3refusals that I received before, And I make sure before they find little problem on my papers I already have answers, so, what I did on the first page of my documents I submit my own letter, with date and address explaining everthing all their questions from the refusals before....
    I submit July28,2016 and received my Approved visa August 2 but this time I pay priority Visa,coz I'm afraid being refused again.. Hope it helps...
    This time I'm applying spouse visa and I haven't started yet, I just changed my status in my passport and been to attend CFO yesterday in Clark then went to Passport Marquee yesterday, I hope and pray everything will be alright as I read bug changes on applications :(
  7. joi1991
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    Sorry to hear about it.
    My only suggestion this time is try strengthening her "travel history". Travel with her to a non-visa country and show that she will come back to the PH before the allowable length of stay ends.
  8. bigmac
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    i cant help but think your making the application far too complicated. why involve your mother--at all ?

    how long is your g/f planning to spend in the UK ?
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  9. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I agree with @bigmac I think by involving your mum as a sponsor it potentially portrays a more long term plan rather than a visit! Yes as a part of any visit your g/f would bump into your family and friends but you are over cooking the application in my view.
    Good luck with the next application.
  10. Maley
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    Weigh your options first.
    - Would you want to make an another application for tourist visa? If yes, i would follow @joi1991 advice, she need to improve her travel history by going to Hong kong or Singapore for a few days. Then make sure the backup documents adds up: ie i remember the application form asks how much you earn and spend a month as well as budget for the trip.

    - apply for a settlement visa? If she hasnt been to the UK and the both of you arent ready for it, i would not advice it.

    Keep us posted.
  11. nikz
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    I see. So really all of your documents where correct. It is just the ECO thst was wrong innrefusing you ? If i may ask, did you hire the solicitor simply to help you re apply and not to dispute the refusal ?
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    That might have to be done yes. Thankyou for that advice
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    E reason im involving my mother is because i recently lost my job due to thr company's lack of work at tge time, so my mother is sponsoring my gf to come to the UK
  14. Alexnew
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    Sorry Brom, all government departments have a complaints procedure.

    It may not be their policy to review certain types of decisions, but they have an obligation to respond to a complaint, hence why i also mentioned going through their local MP. When a government department receives a letter from a Member of Parliament, management in these departments tend to check that everything they've done is correct.

    As i mentioned, I'm not saying the decision could be overturned. It may well be the correct decision according to policy. But they should be given more information than perhaps they've already received.

    I think i read a reply that maybe they've focused too much on the relationship and that's lead to doubts for the ECO regarding the validity of it being a visit for tourism purposes.

    Either way, assuming it is a genuine tourism visit (no doubt with other possibilities in future, should things go well), i wish you all the best in getting the visa
  15. bigmac
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    a visit visa applicant doesnt " need" a sponsor.---so long as they can show adequate funds to buy a return ticket--somewhere to stay--an itinerary of where they would like to visit. the longer they say they want to stay--the more money needed in a bank a/c. there is no hard and fast rule about how much is "adequate".

    then--a convincing need to return--say--to return to their job or business---or uni--and have proof of this. i think its this part of the application that needs addressing.
  16. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Here are the rules for visit visa I would suggest that having read through them my previous post is correct about using your mother as the person supplying financial support for the visit, here is an extract


    Funds, maintenance and accommodation provided by a third party
    1. V 4.3 A visitor’s travel, maintenance and accommodation may be provided by a third party where the decision maker is satisfied that they:
      1. (a) have a genuine professional or personal relationship with the visitor; and
      2. (b) are not, or will not be, in breach of UK immigration laws at the time of decision or the visitor’s entry to the UK; and
      3. (c) can and will provide support to the visitor for the intended duration of their stay.
    V 4.4 The third party may be asked to give an undertaking in writing to be responsible for the applicant’s maintenance and accommodation. In this case paragraph 35 of Part 1 of these Rules applies also to Visitors. An applicant will normally be refused where, having been requested to do so, the applicant fails to provide a valid written undertaking from a third party to be responsible for their maintenance and accommodation for the period of any visit.

    4.3 (a) your mother doesnt have a genuine relationship with your girfriend is a point of refusal!

    Here is a link t the full set of rules


    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-v-visitor-rules
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  18. Maharg
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    Why would you get a lawyer for a visit visa? Just apply again.

    I agree with Bigmac that you are making too much of the family/relationship aspect. If I were a UKVI worker I, personally, would be suspicious that you were trying to bypass the immigration rules to get your girlfriend over.

    The fact is, people do this so they will be on the lookout for it.

    Why not book a hotel, use a travel agency to work out an itinery and get it in writing from them, set out places you want to visit and so on. Make it look like a holiday.
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  19. Maharg
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    Why are you including pictures of you together? It's not a fiance visa but you are making it look like one.

    You could be raising their suspicions doing that.
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  20. nikz
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    The only reason mom was sponsoring was because my gf didnt have enough funds in her account. But i suppose i can transfer enough into her account to cover every expense of the trip and cut out the sponsor.

    Also she already said she has a business and gave them the business permit to prove it. Aswell as the recipt for the university test she had when she returns, but they still refused. Would they not be suspicious of where the sudden thousands of pounds came from ?

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