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Shamima Begum

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 16, 2019.

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Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K

  1. yes she is a British citizen

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    4.5%
  2. no

    19 vote(s)
    86.4%
  3. Yes but under stringent curfews

    2 vote(s)
    9.1%
  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    "Ms Begum’s family are proceeding with a judicial review of Home Secretary Mr Javid’s decision to remove her citizenship.

    Her father Ahmed Ali said last night: "If she has done anything wrong, she should be brought to England and be punished."

    Of the latest claims, the Begum's family lawyer demanded the Home Office make any evidence held against her public.

    Tasnime Akunjee said: "On behalf of the family, we would like to see this evidence, given that it has been leaked, and have it tested in proceedings in due course rather than through hearsay."
  2. Markham
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    Markham . Lifetime Member

    It does rather appear that Ms Begum's crimes may be rather more than simply running-off to join jihadis of the Islamic State which is what she would have us believe. I wonder whether Keith and his Marxist fellow travellers would be quite so sympathetic to her cause were she to be an Israeli .... :rolleyes:
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  3. Druk1
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    Make the evidence public,if its credible leave her to rot,dont waste taxpayers cash on a trial,she chose the path she is currently walking.
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  4. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I think she might be better in a UK jail than free to to return to Europe as bitter a more radicalised and more dangerous terrorist. I'd rather she didn't have to but also I'd rather know where she is. A prison cell yes, a council house no
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  5. Druk1
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    Druk1 Active Member

    UK prisons are a hot-bed of Islam,thats male prisons,as a female prisoner I don't know how it would work,but I would rather she didn't set foot in the UK again personally.
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  6. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    pity the UK doesnt still have transportation..but australia wouldnt want them anyway. how about HM prisons do a deal with north korea ?
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  7. Markham
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    Markham . Lifetime Member

    If we had a Supermax prison similar to ADX Florence in Colorado where Abu Hamza currently resides, then I'd agree because she'd be confined to a single-occupancy cell and have no direct interaction with staff or other prisoners. She should not be able to exert any influence on other more vulnerable inmates.
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  8. Markham
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    Markham . Lifetime Member

    The Mirror (as well as the Mail and Metro) reports that Begum has been granted Legal Aid to fight for her British Citizenship. Her family has appointed Gareth Peirce to act for Shamina. This is Peirce's second high-profile appointment in as many days: she has just been retained by Julian Assange to fight any extradition attempt mounted by the Swedish authorities. Peirce has also acted for Abu Qatada, the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six.

    Yesterday we discovered that Begum served in the Islamic State's "morality police", stitched suicide bombers' vents and actively tried to recruit other women to join the jihadist group. These claims are in contrast to Begum's claims from her refugee camp in northern Syria insisting she lived only as housewife with her Dutch Islamic State fighter husband and cared for her three children, all of whom have since died.

    My view is that Peirce will concentrate heavily on the Home Office's rule-breaking and reliance on false assumptions whilst downplaying Begum's behaviour and actions whilst abroad. My guess is that she will win and win big.
  9. graham59
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    graham59 Well-Known Member

    Yes, sadly, common sense and common decency may again be overruled by stupidity, egotism, and greed... in a country once known for its fairness and sense of justice. Now a laughing stock.
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  10. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Totaly agree there the Home Office just trying anything to boost Javids leadership bid
  11. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Well-Known Member

    Whats wrong with MI5 these days.. A few quid to whack the treacherous bitch,via viable connections..problem solved.
    Saudi Arabia seem to be able to get away with it.
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  12. Mattecube
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    Mattecube I have no need Trusted Member

    I thought you had to be British to get legal aid?
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  13. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    No, and thats correct and it applies to civil cases also. Not being British should not mean you are unable to have justice just because you cannot afford it.

    It is distasteful sometimes like this but access to justice has to be blind and I support that, as long as it qualifies as being a worthy case. Begum definitely does. Any legal decision made by a politician for political reseasons is always going to be dodgy, just look at Trump. If she dropped dead tomorrow I would breath a sigh of relief but until then she still has rights. Lowering our bar to the level of ISIS is when we really go to pot. Justice has to be seen to be done
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  14. Markham
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    She was not the applicant nor does she have any knowledge that an award has been applied for and made in her favour. The application was lodged (apparently) by Gareth Peirce after being approached by the Begum family solicitor who had been working on their behalf pro bono.
  15. Markham
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    Markham . Lifetime Member

    Her case will very likely be dropped if Labour gets into power before it is heard.
  16. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Interesting though I'm not sure what that changes. She is hardly in a position to do it herself. I doubt she will be successful in the long run anyway but at least she will have had that decision tested in the courts
  17. PorkAdobo
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    PorkAdobo Active Member

    What would you do if Syria deported the girl back to the UK?
  18. Druk1
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    Druk1 Active Member

    How?Which airline will carry her knowing she isn't a citizen?
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  19. Markham
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    Markham . Lifetime Member

    Highly unlikely:
    1. Begum is being held by the Kurds, not the Syrian Army.
    2. For her to be deported, the UK would have to agree to allowing her to re-enter the country otherwise her deportation could not go ahead.
    3. No applicable extradition treaty exists.
    4. She does not possess a valid passport.
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  20. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    We do not ask permission of another country to deport someone nor do we need a passport to deport anyone. We can deport people to the country of their nationality, one that has issued previously documents or another country if the deportee can show they will be accepted. We cannot refuse a british citizen. Whether she is or not is for the courts now. As she has no citizenship I think the UK would have to accept her as the last nationality she held if she was deported. Its very grey and its nothing to do with extradition.

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