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Shamima Begum

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 16, 2019.

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Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K

  1. yes she is a British citizen

    2 vote(s)
    5.6%
  2. no

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%
  3. Yes but under stringent curfews

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Markham
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    Except ...
  2. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    She will fit right in if she goes to dhaka its not exactly western,and its predominant religion is islam :welcome:
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  3. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    thought is free:)
  4. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    "The row over Begum’s entitlement to publicly funded legal support grew further on Monday as the solicitor representing her family accused the government of breaching the Official Secrets Act by selectively leaking intelligence reports to sympathetic media, damaging her reputation.!"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...rbyn-defends-shamima-begum-right-to-legal-aid

    If thats true those responcible should be deported:)
  5. Markham
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    I very much doubt the "intelligence reports" were subject to The Official Secrets Act since the information was provided by American and Dutch criminal investigators. Gareth Peirce has a long reputation for making - or allowing to be made - inflammatory statements about her opponents.

    Just who are you going to deport and to where? You really do make some incredibly dumb statement even in your position as the forum troll.
  6. PorkAdobo
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    Agree with point 1.

    Disagree point 2. The UK frequently whines when some tinpot country refuses to accept our deportees. If push came to shove and Syria actually had possession of the girl and wanted to get rid of her (rather than imprison her, kill her etc) I don't see the UK refusing to accept her.

    Points 3/4 don't really matter for deportation.

    All the extra information being released about the extent of the girl's alleged involvement with ISIS is going to make giving the girl a fair trial much more difficult when she is eventually back in the UK (which she will be unless she suffers an unfortunate accident).
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  7. Bootsonground
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    Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K?

    yes she is a British citizen=
    1 vote 5.3%

    Yes but under stringent curfews =
    1 vote 5.3%

    NO = 17 vote(s) 89.5%

    Do you losers want a second referendum?
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  8. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I've seen no reference to her being born in Bangladesh because that would mean she would have to apply for her British passport to begin with. links?
  9. Aromulus
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    Regardless of nationality, I think that this potato is far too hot to have back in the UK, under any circumstance.

    Her sole presence will be enough to incite teen-agers of her own creed to start making trouble, a figure head for pre-pubeshent jihad in London..... and beyond.

    She is under some other country's responsability now, let's leave it at that, and if they want to try her for the crimes, or alleged crimes, she committed there, so be it, death penalty and all what it entails.

    I would feel that my personal and my extended family's security would be threatened by that woman presence on the British soil she hates so much
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  11. graham59
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    Indeed, why the hell should we allow these sort of 'people' to carry on ruining our country ? !

    Somebody PLEASE grow some balls ! Sort it ! :mad:
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  12. Markham
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    Why is (almost) everyone apparently claiming that Shamina Begum neither has nor is entitled to citizenship other than British? Let me quote from the Guardian which, on 6th March 2019, published:

    "Ali [Ahmed Ali, Shamina's father] moved to the UK in 1975 and returned to his village in Bangladesh in 1990 to marry his first wife, Asma Begum. The couple, returned and had four daughters, with Shamima being the youngest. He later returned to Bangladesh and remarried."

    And according to the Mail on Sunday: "The Mail on Sunday last week tracked down Mr Ali at his home in the Sunamganj region of north-east Bangladesh.

    "The retired tailor came to Britain in 1975 and married Begum’s mother, Asma, seven years later. They settled in Bethnal Green, East London, and had four daughters, but from the mid- 1990s he began dividing his time between Britain and Bangladesh, where he married a second wife."

    Unless I am missing something, Shamina Begum was a dual-national, British by country of birth and Bangladeshi by parentage.
  13. KeithAngel
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    From the above link

    "So we now have a dilemma. It is law that as a British passport holder, if she can get herself to a country (Turkey being the nearest) with consular support, then there is nothing to stop this young woman coming back to England. It is emerging though that she was actually born in Bangladesh, so whether that muddies the waters about her re-patriation or not remains to be seen."

    The next question would be "emerging from where" all you are doing is linking to unsubstanciated rumour and opinion not a fact to be seen and you claim to have been a Journalist lol
  14. Markham
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    Your question would be better directed at the author of the piece you quoted and you seem to ignore the fact that she's a dual-national - as revealed by your journalistic bible - but, as usual, all you want to do is engage in personal attacks.
  15. KeithAngel
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    Just because you link to an opinion doesnt make it true who says she is a dual national and based on what evidence?

    If the missus become a Brit and her Filipno Citizenships is lost she is not a dual national till she reclaims it
  16. bigmac
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    re-dual nationality. my wife has recently applied for a new philippines passport--which should be valid for 10 years.

    so--when she gets her ilr in 2 years time--then applies for UK citizenship...does she have to give up her phili passport--or does she then have dual nationality ?
  17. Anon04576
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    The Philippines as I understand allows one to reaquire citizenship if the citizen applies for another nationality. We talked about it a while ago but nobody was clear cut on the process.
  18. bigmac
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    so if she keeps her phil passport--and gets a UK one--how would the phili authorities know ?
  19. Anon04576
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    That was the consensus I think. It seems you don't need to renounce according to this.

    https://legalbeagle.com/8522086-renounce-filipino-citizenship.html

    but that seems unusual because a filipino who has renounced cannot own as much land as one who hasn't renounced. We are a bit off topic here :)
  20. Markham
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    But you do that all the time - I guess it's OK if you do it but not if anyone else does, 'do as I say, not as I do' is obviously your motto.

    What have Filipinos got to do with this? The Philippines inherits much of its laws and customs from the Spanish whereas Bangladesh is the former British colony of East Pakistan, having been conquered by the British East India Company in 1757, yYou can work-out for yourself why that might be significant.

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