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Shamima Begum

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 16, 2019.

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Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K

  1. yes she is a British citizen

    2 vote(s)
    5.6%
  2. no

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%
  3. Yes but under stringent curfews

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I note no attempt to answer the questions posed:p
  2. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Another of your traits :p
  3. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest

    Filipinos that become citizens elsewhere are still considered "natural born Filipino`s" at home.. That`s what the BB privilege is for.
    They also have other rights such as land ownership etc.. In effect,they are still very much Filipino according to the law.
  4. Bootsonground
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    They don`t know!!
    My Mrs had (renewed/and used) both passports for a good few years before the Philippines changed it`s laws and recognized dual citizenship.. That was pretty much the norm back then.
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  5. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    And that from someone that to avoid answering or elaborate on something, searches the internet for a long time, and posts inane memes...

    Kettle and pots come to mind......:rolleyes:
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  6. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    So the facts are, she only had British citizenship and has no Bangladeshi citizenship though she may be able to apply for it though this is likely to be denied in the same ways that the UK would deny it if the roles were reversed.
  7. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Not quite: you're confusing Citizenship and Passports. The facts are that she only had a British Passport. She almost certainly has Bangladeshi nationality/citizenship which she has inherited from her parents - in the same way that my sons have British nationality/citizenship which they inherit from me in addition to their Filipino citizenship. She can apply for her Bangladeshi Passport, she does not need to apply for citizenship first as she is not being naturalised but taking what is already hers.
  8. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    No I'm not. I never mentioned a passport. I'm going off the Bangladeshi government's statement that she will not be allowed citizenship.
  9. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Yes you are confusing the issues. Citizenship by place of birth or parentage is automatic and does not require an application. My sons are in exactly the same situation as Begum: born of a British parent, they are automatically British Citizens. Your wife, however, will have to apply for citizenship whereupon she will be a 'naturalised British Citizen' and can afterwards apply for a British Passport.

    It is quite likely that the Bangladeshi official is either ignorant of the law or intentionally misspoke because Bangladesh does not want any terrorists in its country.
  10. Bootsonground
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    Bangladeshi citizenship is based primarily on jus sanguinis same as R.P.
    Those that are born to at least one Bangladeshi parent acquire citizenship at birth.
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  12. PorkAdobo
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    PorkAdobo Active Member

    You seem to be assuming that Bangladesh will just say "oh yeah, she's one of our own. Let us deal with her". They've already said she will not be allowed in the country.

    As much as I don't particularly want this girl in our country, all paths ( both moral and legal) will eventually lead back to London.

    Javid may succeed in kicking the can down the road for a few years but I feel the only way she can be permanently excluded from the UK is if she dies (eminently possible where she is now) or a hefty top-up is made to Bangladesh's Aid fund.
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  13. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Who can blame the Bangladeshis for not wanting her in their country.
  14. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest

    DFID`s planned budget for aid to Bangladesh, 2019/20 is £192 millon..
    How much more do you suggest we offer in order for them to take her in?
  15. PorkAdobo
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    That amount barely buys you Neymar. You'll probably need to triple it before discussions can begin. Oh and send Liam Fox round to discuss a beneficial trade deal. That would be stance if I was Bangladeshi PM.
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  16. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    She should get it automatically but she hs never even visited Bangladesh and it will lapse when she is 21 if she does not apply for it. The key thing is that as a non resident she has to apply for it, same as any foreign born overseas qualifying national. Irish citizenship has to be applied for. The addition to this, which is in the control of the Bangladeshi government is that they have said they will not give it to her. Sort of stops there.
  17. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    We can argue about the woman in question until we are all blue in the face............ Majority of concerned UK citizens still don't want her her anywhere near the Country......Diba.

    Capish...??
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  18. PorkAdobo
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    PorkAdobo Active Member

    Agreed but sometimes reality trumps populism.
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  19. graham59
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    graham59 Banned

    Enoch Powell tried to explain reality a few decades ago, but did anyone of his calibre listen... and act ?

    No. The naive and foolish PC brigade were allowed to take over, eventually succeeding in bringing OUR country to its knees.

    An absolute tragedy, especially for my parents' generation, considering the sacrifices they and their parents had made.
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  20. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member



    The British had originally brought Indian labourers to Kenya to help build the railway from Mombasa to the interior. Over the following decades they were joined by Indian traders and shopkeepers, and by the early 1960s Asians in Kenya were also working as civil servants, doctors and teachers. When Kenya became independent in 1963, the Asians, who were citizens of the UK and Colonies, could choose either to become Kenyan citizens or to obtain a British passport. Many Asians, anxious about how they would fare under African rule, chose the latter.


    https://web.archive.org/web/20090531172458/http://www.newstatesman.com/199901220021
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