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Shamima Begum

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 16, 2019.

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Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K

  1. yes she is a British citizen

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    5.6%
  2. no

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%
  3. Yes but under stringent curfews

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    And a few years later Idi Amin expelled them from Uganda...
    Same story....... Many of them had British Passports........
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda

    I cannot get over how Britain gives Passports away to anybody, like candies at a party......

    There is a valid argument for defending Jus Soli..........
  2. graham59
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    Yes, I don't need a history lesson thanks.

    Back then we 'owned' their countries, which of course couldn't get away from us quickly enough, once they were given the chance (and look at many of them now :rolleyes: ).

    My view remains the same, no matter how 'cuddly' and wonderful the PC brigade like to portray certain immigrants and their communities. I have worked among these people since 1970. 'We' missed an opportunity to curtail foreign cultures bringing their problems with them, to our streets and doorsteps.

    Of course this is not going to change the current mess the country is in... and a situation that sadly, is only set to worsen.
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  3. Drunken Max
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    The scary part is that this girl was not an ISIS bride for most of her life and had shown no other traits than becoming a western modern muslim. The issue has to be how she became radicalised enough to travel with two girls to Syria.
  4. Anon04576
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    I wasn't giving you a history lesson. I'm on a forum stating a point.

    What I'm saying is we used to uproot people from their own countries and make them labour for our benefit in other countries, surely for the sacrifice we owe them something don't we. What about the Indians and West Indians that participated in "our" war, we expected that of them yet we complain to give them citizenship or want to send them back from whence they came once we have used them. We can hardly complain about what we ourselves have sowed in many cases. That's a consequence of us 'owning' others.
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  5. graham59
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    We owe them nothing that is likely to screw up our country. How difficult a concept is that to grasp ?
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  6. Druk1
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    Her father took her to an American flag-burning ceremony in London with a few known terrorists/sympathisers when she was 12 years old so maybe her family should answer that question ;)
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  7. KeithAngel
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    • Rees-Mogg criticised Sajid Javid, the home secretary’s decision to strip Shamima Begum of her British citizenship. And he said it was right that Begum, who left the UK as a schoolgirl to join Islamic State in Syria, should be receiving legal aid. He explained:
    "I have been very concerned about the removal of her citizenship. I think she is a British responsibility. And I believe that she is correctly given legal aid, that we have a principle of innocence until proved guilty in this country and I think that taking away a passport by purely administrative act, with no judicial oversight, is not just.

    Rees-Mogg told the caller who asked about this issue that on this he was at odds with the views of most of his colleagues. He said:

    You are assuming that I have the views that most Eurosceptics and most Conservatives do have. But this is one of the views I don’t have in common with a lot of people I agree with on other things.

    I believe that a British citizenship ought to be protected, and that means that you have the full protection of the law. And if you have committed an offence, you can be charged. But you are our responsibility, not Bangladesh’s responsibility.

    Jeremy Corbyn has also said that it is right for Begum to get legal aid, but generally Conservative MPs have found it much harder to defend this decision. For example, Jeremy Hunt, the foreign secretary, said that although Begum was entitled to legal aid, this was something that made him personally “very uncomfortable”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...over-failure-to-leave-eu-may-warned-live-news
  8. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

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  9. Druk1
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  10. PorkAdobo
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  11. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    leave him where he is
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  12. PorkAdobo
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    PorkAdobo Active Member

    Not shedding any tears for him, believe me. But what to do if/when the Kurds have had enough?
  13. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I would support our cousins in Canada not letting him into their country and would hope that the UK take a similar stance.
    He is a potential threat to our families security let him enjoy life with the Kurds or make up with his wife in her home country.
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  14. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    pure hatred in his eyes in my view ( watch out for the strong language at the end)
  15. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest

    ( watch out for the strong language at the end)

    FFS!! Thank F*** for the strong language at the end!
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  16. walesrob
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    Hope he is never allowed back into the UK. Zero sympathy, even if he was my brother or cousin, I'd say tough, you wanted out of UK, you wanted in to Syria and a life of jihadism. Close door behind you.

    Whatever happened to taking responsibility for making your own decisions?
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  17. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest


    It`s all fine,,Just glad you didn't mention the "I" word or posted a picture of a woman about to be stoned buried in the ground just above her waist.!
    Some in this forum may have found it offensive and for some strange reason racist..
    You may have also lost certain posting privileges.
    Good for you.
  18. PorkAdobo
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    I'm not advocating rolling out the red carpet for him at Heathrow and reuniting him with his Jihadi family in a 4 bed council house.

    If Syria invited the guy to the county, I'd be more inclined to leave him as their responsibility. But Syria didn't want. The Kurds didn't want him. He joined an international terrorist group which took advantage of a state at civil war.

    One day, Syria or the Kurds will probably want to deport him. We then have to decide what we do with people like this. We can't exactly refuse to take back this white British guy, can we?
    (and don't say we can refuse him. We are Great Britain, not some tinpot African dictatorship)
  19. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I thought that support groups, legal aid teams, and people such as yourself would be slobbering over the prospect of him returning to the UK.
  20. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    I sincerely hope those words don't return to haunt you in the aftermath of a General Election.

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