Support for Brexit hardens

Sorry, I thought the "I told you so" line was reserved for us remoaners.

I'm fairly sure you were all telling us that the EU needed us more than we needed them not so long back.

I'm fairly certain I've voted for MEPs in the past. Where democracy fails is when elected MEPs don't turn up to vote on key issues like fishing. Shame on Nigel Farage and his band of scared old farts.

Anything to back up these claims?

Does that mean you're going to grace the country with your presence, or are you going to watch from the sidelines and tell us how we should all be behaving?

Glad you appreciated the little swerve, I'd have been pulled up on it otherwise

Whatever money immigrants put into the UK pot is irrelevant to me personally, when it comes to the NHS its a case of numbers through the door. That also goes for schools and other services too. Don't get me wrong I'm not blaming all the problems of the NHS on immigration, there is a lot more to it than that as we all know, what I am saying it would help if less people were in the country to use it. The way things are at the moment it must be very difficult for the Government to plan how many hospitals, schools etc. to build/maintain when you have no idea how many people are coming into the country, a million people could walk in tomorrow, or millions if you get my drift

Severing all ties with the EU is the only way to go so that we are free to do our own thing, as May said only yesterday, the UK cannot just pick the bits we want to keep.

When the divorce proceedings start in a few weeks I expect the UK to get very little in the way of concessions to stay in the single market, and why should they?

I'm looking forward to the divorce proceedings, I think we will have a lot to discuss and its guaranteed that things will happen that we never envisaged

I think as we go through the process of leaving the EU we will all have a lot to moan about, I will not be happy if the Brexit is too soft and you will not be happy if its too hard, that statement almost sounds pornographic doesn't it?

Or maybe Parliament needs to repeal the clauses of the Access to Justice Act 1999 that permitted no-win-no-fee law suits for personal injury claims which cost the NHS millions in defence costs alone. Then there could be a return to the old system of Legal Aid funding deserving cases and costs to the taxpayer - and NHS - would be considerably less. What's really iniquitous about the present system is that hospitals have to display advertising placed by ambulance-chasing law firms to entice future clients.

But what do you make of this job advert that appears in The Guardian for a part-time Assistant Director of Equality and Diversity for Central Manchester University Hospitals NHS Trust at an annual salary of up to £57,640 a year which is more than a Major in the army or a full-time teacher in London is paid. That Trust apparently employs "140 equality advocates, 450 people and organisations consulted in developing our equality and diversity strategy". That's a lot of people on the public payroll who have absolutely nothing to do with patient care.

The fishing waters were misappropriated by the EU several decades ago, no amount of voting in the EU would ever return those waters or repair the damage done to the UK fishing industry and might even have served to further legitimise the sad state of affairs.

If there was any chance of a vote having a positive impact I am certain that Nigel would have been there.

Bob Geldoff and his chums hurling abuse and flicking v signs at the fishermen seems to sum up the remain supporters campaign, personal abuse, hatred, and threats rather than being able to present a positive case for remaining.

Interestingly your own "band of scared old farts" description of Brexit supporters seems rather out of place, but hey, if it makes you feel good...

May 2006.. Put it on the market and got a cash buyer in one week..
We went to a letting agent and found a property for rent..They said I had to pay 200.00 Quid so they could credit search me.. I said "dont worry about that..I`ll pay you one year cash in advance"...They said I still had to pay 200.00 Quid for a credit search!!!
Another money making scam..Unbelievable!

I have absolutely no intention of doing that! Thank you for explaining more of the background, I appreciate it.

Fair play, you are really good at diverting the conversation to suit your political agenda. I note you still haven't added any facts to some of the claims you made a few days ago.

As for the job, I agree with you. The NHS has become too bureaucratic and is a completely different organisation to the one envisaged by Nye Bevan. If the Government is intent on employing people to such roles and at such wages (although, you have quoted only the top wage, the wage is a range and is pro-rata) then they have to make sure it is funded. If tax revenues weren't so weak, and if Cameron, Osborne, May and Hammond tried to tax those big companies instead of offering them tax breaks - maybe they could send more money in the direction of the NHS.

The very last thing we need in Britain is Corbynomics. Any increase of Corporation Tax is likely to encourage businesses to relocate elsewhere where there's a more pro-business climate, countries such as Ireland or Luxembourg. Increase personal taxation or introduce a maximum wage cap and you'll likely cause capital flight which is why there are more wealthy Parisians calling London "home" than currently live in Paris. If the NHS went back to its core raison d'etre, stopped providing free "vanity surgery" and introduced co-pay for elective surgery, then maybe we could at least slow the costs spiral.

"Vanity surgery". You make it sound like it costs billions (it's millions - even less than the £350m the UK sends to the EU that it will now send to the NHS except it won't). You haven't acknowledged that there is a psychological benefit to these operations - which there is, as I know second-hand. You also neglect to mention how much such surgery costs. Is it £350m a week - if so, it'll all be ok in 2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 years time.

What are the Corporation tax rates these days? Google says 3-5%.

1) The UK would be forced to join Schengen if it remained in the EU. Cyprus, Ireland, Croatia, Bulgaria and Romania are not in Schengen, although the last two named countries are looking to join. I can't find anything from a reliable source that claims that Cyprus, Ireland and Croatia will all be forced to join Schengen, so I would like to see this claim substantiated.
2) "Unlike migrants who came to Britain in earlier years, the modern migrant is only interested in getting money. They are not interested in integrating into the community at large, learning our language and respecting our customs but form their own separate communities living in isolation."

First off, do you think people migrated to the UK purely for the glorious summers we used to have? Are you suggesting that my wife (for example) has come here just to get money? And, were there not "China" towns, and "Somali" towns and "Bangladeshi" towns and "Pakistani" towns in major cities up and down the country? Of course, there is a good reason for this. People emigrated to the UK from these countries and, generally, found that they could be discriminated against quite legitimately by prospective employers. Those that did get jobs were paid less than a Brit would have been paid. So, generally, the immigrants could only afford to live in areas they could afford.

As for integrating, many immigrants I employ, play football with, go to night school with with are actively integrating into the community. However, in their collective experience, the community shuns them and is hostile towards them. I'm still fascinated by all this talk of our "customs" and "culture". By and large, we eat foreign food, we watch American movies and TV shows, we listen to music from all over the place, our football teams are owned by all sorts, and when was the last time a Manchester City team included a Mancunian? We drink German beers, we drive in German/Japanese/American/Korean cars. Our clothes are made in Bangladesh, and are designed overseas.

Our pensioners retire to Spain, and rarely speak Spanish and stick to their own "ex-pat" communities. I'm sure you're well on your way to mastering Maltese though. They do say it is easier to learn languages once you have two under your belt (English and Tagalog I presume in your case).

I'd reply to this myself but I'm too tired and stressed, I've been working with a load of foreigners today

Carney: Brexit risks now lower

The immediate risk posed by Brexit to the UK economy has declined, the governor of the Bank of England has told MPs.

Mark Carney said that action by the Bank before and after the vote to leave the European Union had reduced the danger to the country's financial stability.

He added, however, that the overall level of risk was still "elevated".

The risk was greater for continental Europe than for the UK, he said.

The governor also told members of the Treasury Select Committee that a period of transition was "highly advisable".

"If there is not such a transition put in place, in our view it will have consequences. We will work to mitigate those consequences as much as possible," he said.

Mr Carney said that the UK should concentrate on stable access to financial markets after Brexit. The financial services industry could suffer "outsize" consequences from losing only some of its access.

He also expressed the belief that it would not only be possible, but desirable for the UK to remain part of the EU mechanisms that make financial rules.

He said the EU and the UK were starting from the position of having the same rules. The regulators know each other, he added, and it is a "tightly wound ecosystem".

Improved forecasting
In the face of questions from Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Mr Carney insisted the bank had identified the risk to the financial sector from the Brexit vote "correctly".

Last week, the Bank of England's chief economist, Andrew Haldane, admitted that some criticisms of economic forecasts about the immediate impact of a Brexit vote were justified.

Mr Carney told the committee that economic forecasting had improved since the financial crisis, by being more pessimistic.

"As you'd expect a bunch of dour central bankers to be, we're focused on the downside and less focused on how everything could turn out well, but what could go really wrong... and where can we potentially mitigate that.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38587625