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The Brexit Times (News and Opinion)

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by KeithAngel, Aug 1, 2017.

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  1. walesrob
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  2. Markham
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    I would have thought that Keith would take issue with you - Corbynistas have been complaining about the BBC's bias against their supreme leader since he was first elected. There's also this piece in the New Statesman from August of last year, "Is the BBC biased against Jeremy Corbyn? Look at the evidence".

    If there was political bias, it was usually pro-centrist and liberal but the BBC's bias against Brexit, which didn't use to be there, has been very evident since the referendum. News-Watch, an independent media monitoring group, has posed a number of articles about the BBC's pro-Brexit reporting. If you scroll-down that page, you'll find a rather damning piece about how Auntie twisted its own survey results (regarding migrant fruit-pickers) to fit in with its agenda.

    I've also read of complaints that the BBC does not give equal air time to pro-Brexit guests or to airing anything other than anti-Brexit news and comment. This is admitted by the BBC's Nick Robinson in an article published in The Spectator in April of this year, entitled "Brexit bias at the BBC? We have no duty to balance reports, claims Nick Robinson". There's an interesting follow-up article published a week later. In March the BBC, John Wittingdale - the former Culture Secretary and architect of the BBC's new Royal Charter - warned the corporation that it would be fined by its regulator if it didn't put a stop to its Brexit bias.

    So, I conclude that the BBC is biased.
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  3. KeithAngel
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    Well done Hamy you managed 11 words befor introducing our Great Leader:lol:

    Your "conclusions" are like the wind subject to rapid change:confused:
  4. KeithAngel
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    Brexit will be catastrophic. Yet I still support Jeremy Corbyn

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    Since his rise to power in the Labour party, Jeremy Corbyn’s appeal to younger voters has been first underestimated and then much examined. How is it that, despite his rather lacklustre performance during the referendum campaign, younger voters – the majority of whom wanted to remain in the European Union – stubbornly persisted in voting for him in the general election? Labour’s much-denigrated failure to commit itself to freedom of movement is a distressing betrayal of his young supporters, goes this line of thinking. So why are they chanting his name at Glastonbury? To some, Corbyn’s popularity just does not compute, even now.

    Perhaps an account of my own conflicted feelings on the Labour leader might shed some light on why, for so many, his Brexit stance is not the be all and end all. Don’t get me wrong, I – and I’m sure many other Labour voters – consider Brexit to be the biggest act of political self-sabotage in my lifetime, with stark consequences for my generation and those following it. Were it to be miraculously cancelled I would be over the moon. But there’s a sense that some would like everything to be about Brexit and only Brexit. When it comes to what people care about in 2017 – and vote on the basis of – that simply is not the case.

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...t-catastrophic-support-jeremy-corbyn-remainer
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    Remainers have lost their battle to derail Brexit as the public overwhelmingly backs a ‘hard’ exit from the EU. A major new study from the LSE and Oxford University shows even remain voters now generally reject the ‘soft’ Brexit policies advocated by the remain lobby. The findings refute the often-repeated claim that Britain is deeply divided over Brexit: in reality, both leavers and remainers are broadly united behind a ‘hard’ Brexit on almost every major issue. The study, seen by BuzzFeed, shows:
    • 67% of people surveyed prefer the so-called “no deal” outcome to a ‘soft’ Brexit
    • 68% of people surveyed would choose a ‘hard’ Brexit over a ‘soft’ Brexit
    Remain voters tend to support so-called ‘hard’ Brexit positions on most major negotiation points:
    • The majority of remain voters oppose the continuation of free movement. Instead, they tend to back ‘some’ or ‘full’ control over UK borders, even if that means lower EU immigration levels than now;
    • Remain voters do not want the UK to be subject to ‘all EU laws and all ECJ decisions’;
    • Remain voters tend to support paying a smaller rather than larger divorce bill to the EU, and would support paying no bill at all;
    • Remain voters do not support continuing massive payments to the EU;
    • Labour, SNP, Plaid Cymru, and Lib Dem voters only marginally preferring a ‘soft’ Brexit to a ‘no deal’ outcome (by around 60/40).
    Professor Sara Hobolt of the LSE said "Overall… there is on aggregate higher levels of support for outcomes that resemble the ‘hard Brexit’ position put forward by the government. Remain voters are willing to acknowledge that there are key negotiation outcomes – e.g. limits to freedom of movement – that they may not like, but that these outcomes still respect the referendum vote and are therefore legitimate. In other words, Remain voters concede that the features that lead them to prefer a particular negotiation outcome do not, in fact, respect the referendum."

    The study will be seen as a bodyblow to the metropolitan remain class whose views are evidently not shared by the country as a whole. This exposes die-hard remainers as having the extreme position relative to the ordinary population. In all but 11 of 42 possible Brexit scenarios presented to the 3,293 participants, remain and leave voters were within five percentage points of one another.
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    Labour's Front benchers are a total disaster, from the clueless snob Lady Nugee to the mathematically-challenged Diane Abbott. And now here's Shadow International Trade Minister Bill Esterson being asked five times if Labour would leave the customs union:

    It’s hardly a surprise when a Labour spokesman goes on the airwaves to talk about Brexit and doesn’t have the first clue. But this from Shadow International Trade minister Bill Esterson on the customs union – his brief – is nothing short of extraordinary. He is completely clueless, completely out of his depth, completely unfit for the job.
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    The current catchphrase among those who wish to overturn Brexit, appears to be "knife edge".

    As if people have not had enough time already to prepare for our much needed clean break from EU political control.
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    During the Referendum campaign, George "Six-Jobs" Osborne warned that unemployment would rise by 500,000 in the immediate aftermath of a Leave vote. Yet again the facts prove him wrong. Today's new figures:
    • Unemployment fell 57,000 between April and June 2017
    • 157,000 fewer than for a year earlier
    • Unemployment rate is 4.4%
    • Down from 4.9% for a year earlier
    • The lowest since 1975

    Yet another Big Fat Lie from the Remain camp.
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    How about Brexit the Movie! :)
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Or a song " I left my heart in San Franbrexit"
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    Instututional bias in favour of the Fascists, you mean.

    I have turned Radio 4 off twice in the last two days.

    Rees-Mogg, (the Honourable(?) Member for the Nineteenth Century) on one panel is bad enough but the odious little Fascist Farage, the dishourable member of the European Parliament for some bunch of benighted fools, on another panel 24 hours later is simply unacceptable.

    Don't worry, this is only a flying visit, because John said he hadn't seen me here. I probably won't be back for a while,
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  16. Markham
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    Not since a brief flirtation in the 1930s. You're lucky I didn't give you a bad spelling mark!
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    Labour flip-flops on Brexit. Again.

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    The party - or rather Starmer has convinced Corbyn that he - now wants to remain in the Customs Union and the Single Market. This would result in Britain paying just as much into the EU coffers as now but with no rebates and we'd have absolutely no say in our - or Europe's - destiny. So Labour are now selling-out their many, many Brexiters which will doubtless lose them support - just as their student flip-flops will cost them the youth vote.

    Or is there another explanation?

    I don't believe for one minute that Corbyn has changed his mind over our EU membership, he remains opposed. This apparent 'about turn' is a thinly-disguised attempt to bring-down the government and force another general election and probably cooked-up by Starmer and Nick Brown, Labour's Chief Whip. If they can create the illusion of wanting a "soft" Brexit, they hope to entice Tory hardcore Remainers such as Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve into the voting lobbies to defeat government legislation, especially the Great Reform Bill.

    Failure to pass this very important piece of legislation would almost certainly bring-down the government and there'd have to be a general election. But the Brexit clock is ticking and such a turn of events as I have described would very likely result on Britain crashing-out of the EU with no agreements in place.

    The Emperor's new clothes!
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    Well that didn't last long! Labour's deception over its newly-adopted Brexit policy barely lasted twenty-four hours before it was exposed by the Shadow Chancellor who told Peston on Sunday "I think people would interpret membership of the Single Market as not respecting that referendum."


    And don't forget, a couple of months ago Corbyn sacked three frontbenchers for voting to stay in the single market. Now it is Labour policy to retain single market membership for years after we leave. Not in the least credible and what's worse, its own senior team are incapable of singing in tune!
  19. KeithAngel
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    Just keeping the thieving Tories guessing :lol:
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    "Thieving Tories" - nowhere near as bad as Labour's misogynist sexist thugs condemned by one of your own MPs as "the absolute worst".

    But do keep up this pretence of wanting to remain in the EU, please. For as long as possible. Not only are you exposing divisions in your own side but you're laying the groundwork for Farage to retake control of a revitalised Ukip to which all the Leave-voting Labour supporters will once again migrate. With support haemorrhaging fast, there could even be a leadership challenge and hopefully someone competent will take over. Someone like Dan Jarvis.
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