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The murder of George Floyd

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Maybe the combination of drugs in his system hampered his compliance and behaviour?
  2. jims456
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    In my opinion the police should apply the law in an unbiased manner using the minimum amount of force. Certainly not using restraint techniques known to endanger life. Sentencing and punishment is for the courts the police should not be judge jury and executioner.
    My fear is that these heavy handed tactics will slowly become the norm here in the UK.
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  3. Druk1
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    Those heavy handed tactics may have been due to one of the attending officers who purportedly knew him, maybe his size and violent past as an armed robber and career criminal meant they handled him with excessive force?
  4. oss
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    https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/06/12/george-floyd-criminal-record/

    The man's last recorded crime was in 2007 he served time 4 years convicted in 2009 out in 2013, that means he had been out for 7 years with no further criminal record.

    As for the rest of it, nothing was proportionate to what he was accused of or his behaviour at the time.
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  6. Druk1
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    Hadn't been caught committing a crime in 7 years though certainly partaking in illegal activities with three seperated drugs in his system, he served time for armed robbery on a pregnant woman sticking a loaded gun in her stomach, who knows how the police viewed it except the officers themselves.
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  7. oss
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    Read the Snopes debunking in my link in the quoted post.

    The pregnant woman is a fictional embellishment.

    One of the drugs was in his system on a potentially recent basis and is a pain killer albeit a very strong one, the other could have been there up to five days before his death.

    What was proportionate about the way this man was treated.
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  9. Druk1
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    One debunk but his criminal record has been quoted by many :) OK, two illegal drugs and not 3 :)
    On August 9, 2007, George Floyd and five other black men forced themselves into the residence of a Latinx couple in Houston. One of the men (not Floyd) posed as a water repairman and convinced the female resident to open the door. The other two residents of the house were the female’s boyfriend and a 1-year-old baby with the boyfriend's surname.

    After the invasion, Floyd, who was described as the largest man among the attackers, put a gun against the woman’s abdomen and demanded to know where the drugs and the money were. Because neither were available, criminals took some jewelry and a cell phone, then left in a Ford Explorer.

    During the robbery, the woman was hit several times by one of the criminals (not Floyd) when she tried to cry for help. At the time, Floyd was searching the residence for valuables. The hitter was inadvertently left by his “mates” in the house, so he had to flee on foot.
  10. Druk1
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    If the pregnant woman is a myth I am sure his family will sue every news outlet on the planet that reported it.
  11. oss
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    Yeah that quotes the Snopes page, 13 years ago and he served time.

    And there is a lot more than one debunking in that article.
  12. oss
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    How do poor people sue, where do they get enough money to even get the first sit down with a legal professional.
  13. Druk1
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    I am 110% certain in litigious USA someone will take pro-bono on this case, BLM will fund it, there will be no problem whatsoever raising funds to take this to court, or if there was no pregnant lady massive amounts of out of court settlements.
  14. oss
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    How could he have sued prior to his death, he was a convicted living black man with probably little or no money, and in what way would the courts have leaned in his favour.

    You are talking about his family now, not his situation then, if you were black in the USA and someone had published this stuff at some point in your history what could you really do about it, absolutely bugger all.
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  15. jims456
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    See your point but I was not basing my opinion on the George Floyd incident alone. The internet is awash with videos of US police brutality and in many cases the victims have sued the relevant police department and won substantial damages.
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  16. oss
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    I don't agree with his point, typically whenever a black person is killed in an incident like this their history is used as some kind of justification, what did George Floyd do on that day that justified they way the Police treated him on that day the day he died.

    That's my question and the one that everyone should be asking in my opinion.
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  17. Anon220806
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    There has been a similar case here. Not sure how that has progressed.
  18. oss
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    Quite apart from anything else, it is claimed that Chauvin and Floyd barely knew each other even though they worked at the same nightclub and what's a police officer doing working nights as a bouncer anyway.

    I agree with you I have seen countless examples of racial profiling of non white individuals as a result of the wonder of modern cellphones and the ability to record live video.

    For balance the Snopes treatment of Chauvin https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/derek-chauvin-flyer-accuracy/
  19. Druk1
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    Of course, my post reads "I am sure his family will sue"
  20. oss
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    Fair enough you do say that.

    I might suggest that they have a ton of other stuff they are probably more focused on right now before considering trying to take on rumours and the internet media.
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